Valley Stream or West Hempstead (New York, Schenectady: to rent, sex offender, crimes)

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

Interesrting......So, is the average family income is low for LI? It's at just under 69,000 per family. 4.9% of the families and 6.3% of the people in the community live below the poverty level.

Where did you find that and for what size family are you talking? Unfortunately on LI a family of 4 would have a very hard time affording to live here, particularly if they are paying current full market rent (with no sweetheart deals) or have paid RECENT market real estate prices on that total salary. Actually, you could not afford to buy a shack on Long Island if that is the total family income of a family of 4. Perhaps in other parts of the country that would be considered a fortune, but here it is mediocre at best for a total family income.

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i agree 100% with frankjrinaz

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

Where did you find that and for what size family are you talking? Unfortunately on LI a family of 4 would have a very hard time affording to live here, particularly if they are paying current full market rent (with no sweetheart deals) or have paid RECENT market real estate prices on that total salary. Actually, you could not afford to buy a shack on Long Island if that is the total family income of a family of 4. Perhaps in other parts of the country that would be considered a fortune, but here it is mediocre at best for a total family income.

Here:Lakeview, New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

Let me put it this way, if you like Roosevelt or Uniondale, you might like Lakeview. For me no way would I waste my money, especially with the property taxes being just as high as in a nicer and more stable neighborhood.

I_Love_LI_but, you know I have tons of respect for your opinions and generally agree with them....but that is totally insane. Lakeview is nothing at all like Uniondale or Roosevelt! Scratch that, Lakeview and Uniondale are nothing like Roosevelt. What specifically are you scared of there?

Lakeview looks like anything else nearby. West Hempstead, Valley Stream, Franklin Square, etc. It's all the same, it's not run down whatsoever though it isn't very flashy. I challenge ANYONE to drive or walk through Lakeview and tell me they're even the slightest bit worried about their safety, it's just a normal town like any other. Honestly I think you might find more unsavory characters in West Hempstead because of the proximity to Hempstead and the Turnpike...Lakeview is so isolated... I almost feel like you're confusing it with some other place...

I know academically, Malverne & West Hempstead Public Schools score low for Nassau....but on par with Suffolk districts that are suggested to prospective buyers on here all the time. What's the rub here? You know that Newsday "list of bad schools" is totally bogus, I have personally gone to great lengths researching the exact reason why it is a slanderous bunch of BS. I'm not sure what the reason is to continually refer back to this anything-but-scientific disgrace to journalism...the actual data for those schools is available through a link in that thread.

Here's the median household income stats, and poverty rate (in families) for Lakeview, Roosevelt, Uniondale and surrounding areas. You can check all these out at www.census.gov. The stats are from 2000, but there really shouldn't have been much change in respect to economic differences between these areas.

North Valley Stream: $82,100 (3.0%)
Malverne: $81,784 (1.6%)**
Garden City South: $73,482 (4.4%)
Nassau County: $72,030 (3.5%)
West Hempstead: $71,260 (3.4%)
Lakeview: $68,438 (4.9%)
Town of Hempstead: $68,083 (4.0%)
Valley Stream: $63,243 (3.5%)**
Lynbrook: $62,373 (2.5%)
Uniondale: $61,410 (6.0%)
Franklin Square: $60,998 (3.7%)
Roosevelt: $56,715 (10.8%)
Hempstead: $45,234 (14.4%)

**=% Below Poverty Line represents 2007 estimate from City-Data.com; Census.gov is down currently.

I'm looking forward to hearing why you've got it in for Lakeview....I know I threw a whole lot of numbers out there, these are only to support my opinion of the area - not define it.

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

I_Love_LI_but, you know I have tons of respect for your opinions and generally agree with them.

Same back at ya, seanx4!!!

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

....but that is totally insane. Lakeview is nothing at all like Uniondale or Roosevelt! Scratch that, Lakeview and Uniondale are nothing like Roosevelt. What specifically are you scared of there?

Where I used to work by necessity I was privy to a lot of data on convicted criminals, specifically probationers and parolees located in Nassau County. That's why I don't recommend Lakeview compared to other places. Lakeview has a disproportionately larger number of these people than that of Nassau County as a whole and the percentage is similar to that of Roosevelt and Uniondale. However, it is NOT as disproportionately large as that of Hempstead or Freeport, for example, so it's certainly not the "worst of the worst" in Nassau. BUT considering that Lakeview has similar home prices and taxes to many other places on LI that DO NOT have a larger than average convicted criminal population, why should I recommend Lakeview?

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

You know that Newsday "list of bad schools" is totally bogus

I don't think it is totally bogus. Where there's smoke, there's fire. However, I do see why you disagree with the list, because I do think it generalizes too much, as it lumps what they consider "substandard" all in together, whether they are districts that may rival the worst of the worst in the inner city or districts that are only in need of improvement to bring it up to an acceptable level for LI, so it makes those districts look "extra bad" when in reality they are not that terrible, just not totally up to par. That being said, I STILL wouldn't recommend any school district that needs improvement considering the high taxes that is charged on LI for all school districts, excellent, good, bad, mediocre, average, etc. Unlike the low cost of living in third world countries (what they now call "developing" or "emerging"), there is no tax break for buying into a "developing" school district, so why waste your money? I am all for the consumer being smart and getting their money's worth, especially in this overinflated housing market.

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

Here's the median household income stats, and poverty rate (in families)

Regarding all the stats, the other poster provided the link where s/he found the household income for Lakeview on and it is from 2000. When I posted, I assumed s/he was citing current numbers. A household income of approximately $69,000 in 2009 is a lot different than pre-housing bubble 2000. Let's face it, right now $69,000 for a family would not provide adequate housing at current market rates, either rental or buying, on Long Island for an entire family, especially considering all the other expenses a family has. That is why I disparaged that income level because it won't buy much around here, although maybe you could actually afford to buy a house in Houston TX on that family income. There is no sense talking about what incomes people had almost 10 years ago because it is not relevant to what is going on today, especially on Long Island with its extra-inflated home prices and property taxes.

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Regarding criminal populations, I would like to add that it is a good idea for anyone looking to buy a house absolutely anywhere to run a search on the address on internet websites such as "Family Watchdog" to check for the location of registered sex offenders!

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

Same back at ya, seanx4!!!



Where I used to work by necessity I was privy to a lot of data on convicted criminals, specifically probationers and parolees located in Nassau County. That's why I don't recommend Lakeview compared to other places. Lakeview has a disproportionately larger number of these people than that of Nassau County as a whole and the percentage is similar to that of Roosevelt and Uniondale. However, it is NOT as disproportionately large as that of Hempstead or Freeport, for example, so it's certainly not the "worst of the worst" in Nassau. BUT considering that Lakeview has similar home prices and taxes to many other places on LI that DO NOT have a larger than average convicted criminal population, why should I recommend Lakeview?



I don't think it is totally bogus. Where there's smoke, there's fire. However, I do see why you disagree with the list, because I do think it generalizes too much, as it lumps what they consider "substandard" all in together, whether they are districts that may rival the worst of the worst in the inner city or districts that are only in need of improvement to bring it up to an acceptable level for LI, so it makes those districts look "extra bad" when in reality they are not that terrible, just not totally up to par. That being said, I STILL wouldn't recommend any school district that needs improvement considering the high taxes that is charged on LI for all school districts, excellent, good, bad, mediocre, average, etc. Unlike the low cost of living in third world countries (what they now call "developing" or "emerging"), there is no tax break for buying into a "developing" school district, so why waste your money? I am all for the consumer being smart and getting their money's worth, especially in this overinflated housing market.



Regarding all the stats, the other poster provided the link where s/he found the household income for Lakeview on and it is from 2000. When I posted, I assumed s/he was citing current numbers. A household income of approximately $69,000 in 2009 is a lot different than pre-housing bubble 2000. Let's face it, right now $69,000 for a family would not provide adequate housing at current market rates, either rental or buying, on Long Island for an entire family, especially considering all the other expenses a family has. That is why I disparaged that income level because it won't buy much around here, although maybe you could actually afford to buy a house in Houston TX on that family income. There is no sense talking about what incomes people had almost 10 years ago because it is not relevant to what is going on today, especially on Long Island with its extra-inflated home prices and property taxes.

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Regarding criminal populations, I would like to add that it is a good idea for anyone looking to buy a house absolutely anywhere to run a search on the address on internet websites such as "Family Watchdog" to check for the location of registered sex offenders!

This is from 2007 and this site. It's even higher by a good 17,000 dollars. So, is this really about?

http://www.city-data.com/city/Lakeview-New-York.html

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

This is from 2007 and this site. It's even higher by a good 17,000 dollars. So, is this really about?

http://www.city-data.com/city/Lakeview-New-York.html

Of course it would be higher by $17K seven years later. What does that have to do with my post that you reproduced?

I don't understand what your question is. Please use complete sentences. That means do not leave out key words if you want to be understood. Please ask specific questions if you want answers instead of beating around the bush.

If, in your semi-literate and incoherent way, you are trying to play the "race card" against me ... don't even try it. I stated the facts as I saw them. Whatever races live in Lakeview is not within my control. I also live in an integrated community and am proud to live there. Stay in upstate NY if you want to stir up trouble and play the race card, okay? We don't need any trouble here from outsiders who have no idea what they are dealing with or what they are talking about. We have enough to deal with, believe me.

[nyrnwriter]

I am a west hempsteader! I love valley stream also but if you chose west hempstead, schools are great too. our 3 kids went there and are doing very well in college and I found the school easy to work with. When we bought our house, we were commutting to NYC too and the west hempstead line does have some limited times- valley stream is bigger but not too sure how safe I feel when I get off there. After many years we are now selling our home in west hempstead to move to tampa-we never had any problems, had wonderful neighbors, and our block is safe and very well taken care of. Both areas are nice- lots of nice areas, good safe streets and good for a young family- what is your price range for buying? Oh and perhaps we could kind of keep this to a nice tone? I live in west hempstead and there is a section called lakeview that is not as safe-it is multicultural like the rest of west hempstead, but just not as "afluent" so to speak. But we must remember, these are just our opinions on the areas- hopefully they help people to chose the right area for their needs.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

Of course it would be higher by $17K seven years later. What does that have to do with my post that you reproduced?

I don't understand what your question is. Please use complete sentences. That means do not leave out key words if you want to be understood. Please ask specific questions if you want answers instead of beating around the bush.

If, in your semi-literate and incoherent way, you are trying to play the "race card" against me ... don't even try it. I stated the facts as I saw them. Whatever races live in Lakeview is not within my control. I also live in an integrated community and am proud to live there. Stay in upstate NY if you want to stir up trouble and play the race card, okay? We don't need any trouble here from outsiders who have no idea what they are dealing with or what they are talking about. We have enough to deal with, believe me.

First of all, you brought up the race card, not me. Second, I'm proud of you and the fact of where you live. Here's a thumbs up from me to you. Third, if the place is so bad, why aren't the numbers reflecting that? Fourth, your cockiness and attitude is unwarranted. I could say typical, but I won't go there. Fifth, what do you know about Upstate NY anyway? Sixth, considering how segregated L.I. is according to some accounts, could the perception that you and possibly others have be different from the reality? Seventh, are you an English teacher? I didn't know this was a class and I think you still got the point. Eighth, I'm sorry you and Long Island "have so much to deal with".

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

First of all, you brought up the race card, not me.

So are you saying you didn't imply it in your veiled question?

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

Second, I'm proud of you and the fact of where you live. Here's a thumbs up from me to you.

Right back at ya

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

Third, if the place is so bad, why aren't the numbers reflecting that?

The only number I based my "non-recommendation" on was the number of probationers and parolees who submit home addresses in that area.

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

Fourth, your cockiness and attitude is unwarranted. I could say typical, but I won't go there.

Typical Long Islander you mean? Substitute "straightforwardness" instead of being afraid to say what I mean. Sorry I am blunt.

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

Fifth, what do you know about Upstate NY anyway?

Nothing. And where did I say I did?

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

Sixth, considering how segregated L.I. is according to some accounts, could the perception that you and possibly others have be different from the reality?

First, a word of advice on that subject; it seems to be a sore one here. I have had my posts deleted and/or modified when I (negatively) discussed the high rate of segregation on LI. (Hope ya get to read this before it disappears and I get smacked.) Second, I will admit that there were many times while trying to get in touch with a probationer, someone would answer the phone number given and would get very angry and say, "Why does he always give my number and address??? That no good so and so doesn't live here!!!!" So perhaps the higher than average rate claiming to live in Lakeview gave the phone number/address of their relative instead of where they really live and that is where I got the perception? I don't know.

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

Seventh, are you an English teacher? I didn't know this was a class and I think you still got the point.

Even if I were, I would never admit to it for fear of being harassed as an overpaid ^#^%%$^ who drains the taxpayers dry and works less than 9 months a year.

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

Eighth, I'm sorry you and Long Island "have so much to deal with".

We all have a lot to deal with.