Police Warning for Ice on the Sidewalk?!? (Garden City, Malverne: luxury, incomes)

[dman72]

Originally Posted by DeadPool1998

Depending on the quality of the following source, the median household income in Nassau and Suffolk counties is much more than half that number. That suggests that the average is well above the median - as it typically is. One can't make less than $0, but one can and many do make far in excess of $80,000 (for instance). This fact skews the average high.

Long Island - Federal Reserve Bank of New York

So, sorry. But I will admit that your point seems much more compelling when you make things up!

$68,351

That's household incomes. Many of those incomes are 2 families. A mean salary, which is only slightly higher, would be more accurate, but you aren't in the business of that.

Median income 68K

Max base for SCPD 98K. Average gross for SCPD, over 100K. Add free healthcare, 181 work days, 20 year retirement.

End of story. Out of whack compensation.

[mikeyc4582]

Deadpool,
I’ll respond to your post to dman72 since he and I see things eye to eye.
You are right… if the question being debated is “who is angrier?” you should concede. Dman and I are mad as hell that our tax dollars are being spent to give lavish and worry free lives to police officers in a county that is considered an extremely cushy policing gig.
People who like to say “you lose” in an argument tend to be people who are emotionally immature and need to resort to the tactics of 5-year olds to prove their imaginary dominance. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Comparing cop pay to executive pay is a fair comparison. While executives will get lots of stock options and high compensation (in good times), cops will max out with overtime around approximately 130k if they are fairly hard workers. Keep in mind I’m not saying the avg. salary is 130k, I’m saying the avg. salary for cops at top pay is approximately that much. That factors in night differential, holiday pay and regular overtime. Now, the average age of an executive is in their late 40’s, early 50’s as I have mentioned in a previous post. The fact that an SCPD officer can make 98k after only 5 years means they earn much more than most private sector employees (future executives if you will) for most of their 20’s and 30’s. Also keep in mind, while an SCPD is starting at 57k before any overtime, the future executives are still in school for another 2 years just to get their bachelors degree. Also keep in mind, in order to reach the executive level, you must have a graduate degree. That takes more time, and more money. Not to mention the fact that bachelors degrees cost a pretty penny as well.
The benefits of being a cop severely outweigh the risks. This is evidenced by 30,000 people paying $100 to take a test to have the chance to get one of only 200 positions available. I believe people are now dropping out of college to try to become cops. However, what about the already 1700 police officers on the force? Did they all drop out of college to become cops? Of course not… many were hired before it became public knowledge of what a great welfare program being a member of the SCPD really is. So dman’s assertion that he knows people who worked in bagel shops and then became cops is probably an accurate one. Maybe that won’t happen anymore, but it has happened prior to 30,000 people applying for 200 positions.
Your 36 year old friend is a rare exception. Most people in the private sector, including those who become executives, don’t reach that point at that young age. Most of us don’t retire at age 36… we work well into our 60’s.

The average SCPD cop does make over 100k. This is a fact and has been mentioned in Newsday and the NY times. Levy usually has a press release with this information. If you add in 6 weeks vacation… the free pension which NO ONE in the private sector gets… the vacation and sick time payout… the built in overtime for holidays… and… this one is a biggy… the JOB SECURITY… the SCPD cop compensation is very comparable to an executive, without having to go to school for 6 years or endure layoffs and all that fun stuff.

[mikeyc4582]

Originally Posted by dman72

$68,351

That's household incomes. Many of those incomes are 2 families. A mean salary, which is only slightly higher, would be more accurate, but you aren't in the business of that.

Median income 68K

Max base for SCPD 98K. Average gross for SCPD, over 100K. Add free healthcare, 181 work days, 20 year retirement.

End of story. Out of whack compensation.

That's a funny little nugget most cops fail to see... the household income is $30,000 less than their top pay. That's going to work 3.5 days out of a week and they are paid $30,000 more than the average HOUSEHOLD in suffolk county makes. Add in some overtime, and we easily break the $50,000 barrier with one salary!!

Now add in 6 weeks of vacation, free pension, free healthcare, vacation and sick time payout... and this is why many suffolk county residents are angry.

[mikeyc4582]

Originally Posted by DeadPool1998

What kind of free time do the cops have that they don't deserve?

Working class throwing working class beneath busses really irks me.

I wonder if the police have too much time off when they are running through a neighborhood trying to catch some punk with a gun. I know I wouldn't do it. I'd much rather leave it to the cops.

Cops are to be criticized when they screw up. I complain plenty. Still, blanket comments like that are going to bring insults like flied to poop. Have some decency.

I don't get 6 weeks vacation. I don't get to work 5 days on, 2 days off, 5 days on, 3 days off. Did you see what went on in Malverne? The cops there were taking advantage and took a list of ridiculous holidays... including flag day which used to be a holiday for the NCPD! I have plenty of decency and I speak up when the tax payer is being wronged. I think the person here who lacks decency is the one defending a profession where there is obviously a vested interest.

By the way, I remember a post you made to a girl thinking of moving to houston. Apparently, she didn't use correct grammar in her post and you bashed her for that. You have the audacity to tell me to have some decency? That's hilarious!

[DeadPool1998]

Originally Posted by dman72

$68,351

That's household incomes. Many of those incomes are 2 families. A mean salary, which is only slightly higher, would be more accurate, but you aren't in the business of that.

Median income 68K

Max base for SCPD 98K. Average gross for SCPD, over 100K. Add free healthcare, 181 work days, 20 year retirement.

End of story. Out of whack compensation.

Your use of "whack" has me thinking you should watch fewer Free Credit Report.com ads.

First, I provided a source for my median. It just so happens that my median was significantly higher than yours. But you "corrected" me with your unsourced median. Then, you asserted that the mean would be "slightly" higher. There again, you marshall supporting material from your vast wealth of proprietary knowledge, which no one else can access, lest you choose to share your nuggets.

My numbers were also specific to county. What are your numbers? NY state numbers? Puzzled.

Now, let's look at Garden City, since that's the city in question anyway. The median household income 10 years ago (according to the U.S. census) was $97,000/year.

Roughly half of households make more than $100,000. Almost 20% make over $200,000. Throw a couple of millionaires in there and the average is much higher than that.

How would you put it? Oh yeah! "End of story."

[mikeyc4582]

Originally Posted by dman72

Working class throwing working class underneath the bus?

Funny, if you listen to LI cops on this and other forums, they have the mentality more of corporate executives...the only taxes they support are the ones that pay them..the ones that pay for education, roads, social programs, all take away their hard earned (straight from the taxpayer) pay.

It's not surprising, because many of them are getting PAID as much as executives, hence their inflated egos and lack of humility and self awareness. I can pull up posts by the usual "cops can do no wrong" suspects, and you will find them saying teachers pay should be cut, welfare programs should be cut, income taxes should be lowered, all while they are nursing from the same taxpayer teat they claim to be defending...which pays them!!! It's a bizarre cycle of irony.

Not all cops, of course, but far too many.

As for the original poster, clear your sidewalk and zip it.


:d

deadpool... by the way here's dman's thread in which he said corporate executives. Never said ceo... (and by the way, the CE in CEO does not stand for corporate executive LOL)

[mikeyc4582]

Originally Posted by DeadPool1998

Your use of "whack" has me thinking you should watch fewer Free Credit Report.com ads.

First, I provided a source for my median. It just so happens that my median was significantly higher than yours. But you "corrected" me with your unsourced median. Then, you asserted that the mean would be "slightly" higher. There again, you marshall supporting material from your vast wealth of proprietary knowledge, which no one else can access, lest you choose to share your nuggets.

My numbers were also specific to county. What are your numbers? NY state numbers? Puzzled.

Now, let's look at Garden City, since that's the city in question anyway. The median household income 10 years ago (according to the U.S. census) was $97,000/year.

Roughly half of households make more than $100,000. Almost 20% make over $200,000. Throw a couple of millionaires in there and the average is much higher than that.

How would you put it? Oh yeah! "End of story."

So you are saying the median household income in garden city is 100,000. And the average SCPD and NCPD cop makes 100,000. What are you proving? That cops make on average what a HOUSEHOLD does in one of the wealthiest towns on LI??

[DeadPool1998]

Originally Posted by mikeyc4582

So you are saying the median household income in garden city is 100,000. And the average SCPD and NCPD cop makes 100,000. What are you proving? That cops make on average what a HOUSEHOLD does in one of the wealthiest towns on LI??

Go read the original post that started the thread. It will help contextualize the comment.

Thanks for the inquiry.

[DeadPool1998]

Originally Posted by mikeyc4582

deadpool... by the way here's dman's thread in which he said corporate executives. Never said ceo... (and by the way, the CE in CEO does not stand for corporate executive LOL)

"Executive" is too vague, and allows him to slip around. He never defined it, and never operationalized it.

I know what a CEO is. I don't quite know what an executive is.

[dman72]

Deadpool thinks he hit a home run when he hasn't even crossed the first base bag yet.