With High Pay, L.I. Police Jobs Draw Stampede (Hempstead: how much, home)

[pdcnret]

Originally Posted by Crookhaven

I didnt even need to read this thread to know it had been hijacked back to the Schools again.

Their talking points are getting really old and tranparent.

Why is it that anytime theres a discussion about excessive Police pay they swing the thread back to the schools?

Its sad and old.
There will be a reckoning.

crooks

Probably because we pay five times more in school taxes than we do in police taxes.

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

Probably because we pay five times more in school taxes than we do in police taxes.

Welcome back officer.

crooks

[mikeyc4582]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

Again, another poor career choice.

Before you attack people's career choices, keep in mind police compensation is dominated by an effective yet gluttonous union and weak county governments who couldn't say no because the money was there. The markets do not control police compensation, because if it did you guys would be paid 50k a year. Now the well has dried up and we, the tax payers, are left paying for this massive welfare program. Police do a tough job and should be paid well.

Should they be able to earn twice the median household income after their overtime? Cops/wannabes/relatives will say Yes. The rest of us say no and we are now becoming a more vocal majority.

[mikeyc4582]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

Too bad you really don't know what you're talking about. You, like all the other, assume a whole lot more knowledge about the police than you really have. That's what shapes your uninformed opinions.

It's one thing to tell someone they don't know what they are talking about... it's another to provide examples. Please do so if you can, officer.

[dolphingirl]

Originally Posted by dman72

Doesn't a school super have a doctorate in Education?

A school super is managing the affairs of an entire school district, making what, 200K?..the business and academic ends.and can be fired at the will of the school board. You're trying to compare this to breaking up domestic disputes and writing traffic summons for 120K+ per year?

Are the only people worthy of compensation in your eyes those who hold degrees of some sort? Sounds like snobbery to me. Should someone put their life on the line for $12.00 an hour but people pushing paper around make 100 or 200K?

Cops put up with a lot more crap than your average insurance salesman, grade school teacher,banker etc. Its not fair to say they only write summons and handle domestic disputes.Every horrible crime we read in
the paper having to do with druggies,gangs,murders,assaults,drunks etc. involves someone putting themselves on the line to arrest these people.

Why devalue that because someone didnt spend 8 years reading about it first?

[mikeyc4582]

Originally Posted by dolphingirl

Are the only people worthy of compensation in your eyes those who hold degrees of some sort? Sounds like snobbery to me. Should someone put their life on the line for $12.00 an hour but people pushing paper around make 100 or 200K?

Cops put up with a lot more crap than your average insurance salesman, grade school teacher,banker etc. Its not fair to say they only write summons and handle domestic disputes.Every horrible crime we read in
the paper having to do with druggies,gangs,murders,assaults,drunks etc. involves someone putting themselves on the line to arrest these people.

Why devalue that because someone didnt spend 8 years reading about it first?

He's speaking to market dynamics. Those who attend college and graduate school and earn advanced degrees are usually more in demand in the job market and thus command a higher salary then those with no education. Of course the exception exists, such as those with art history masters degrees. He isn't devaluing anyone - you sound like someone who doesn't have an education and therefore resents education.

No one is saying for cops to make 12 an hour, that's ridiculous. We ar saying do they need to make so much that 30,000 people pay $100 to sit for a test to get one of 200 spots???

[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

Looks to me like you made a poor career choice.

Why do you feel it's necessary to resort to personal insults any time this topic comes up? That's very low class, we're having a discussion here - feel free to contribute to it. I personally feel that there are many levels of government that need to trim down spending and expenses, including schools, but if you want to discuss schools or any other governmental function start another thread. You'll have my support. We're talking about why police salaries are so exorbitant and how we're going to work towards changing that situation here. Maybe, being a police officer, you might have some insight other than the occasional cryptic "you don't know anything about it" or "there's nothing you can do to change it". I don't think that attitude sits very well with the people who are putting your kids through college, I know it doesn't sit well with me.

I just looked up the tax data for the building I rent an apartment in (ooh what poor career choices I must have made). The County/Town portion of the tax bill comes out to $2,814.12 - of that total, the amount that goes towards the two police items (County Police / County Police Headquarters) is $1,160.69! That means the NCPD portion of the taxes on this building account for 41% of the total! The other 59% includes everything from fire protection to garbage disposal, parks, Tom Souzzi and every other elected official's paychecks. Every low level clerk working in the County buildings, every guy driving the snow plows. The NCPD portion dwarfs any other item on the bill.

When you also factor in that NCPD/SCPD largely operate as a supplementary revenue collection agency (traffic tickets) the number is even more staggering. Any time I've had to go to the Hempstead Traffic Court to pay a parking ticket the line has been out the door. I'm surprised the whole police force can't fund itself on that revenue alone.

We need to get in our politicians heads and let them know this cannot go on. There is no reason for this kind of exorbitance....write letters, tell your friends, tell your relatives, tell your co-workers. Pass links to these threads around on other message boards, let the PBA know we are not gonna be pushed around anymore!

[dolphingirl]

I have also noticed when someone doesnt agree with an opinion on here they must be a cop or a relative of one.That is just a copout imho.

I read my tax bill and the police are not the ones choking me.We all know its the schools.But I'll admit I have kids and wouldnt be happy with my kids going without a good education.I dont expect teachers to take a pay cut or lose pensions but I dont think cops should either.They both do an important job and society needs both.

But if were talking taxes then I feel schools are the problem.I dont know how to fix any of it honestly

[mikeyc4582]

Originally Posted by dolphingirl

I have also noticed when someone doesnt agree with an opinion on here they must be a cop or a relative of one.That is just a copout imho.

I read my tax bill and the police are not the ones choking me.We all know its the schools.But I'll admit I have kids and wouldnt be happy with my kids going without a good education.I dont expect teachers to take a pay cut or lose pensions but I dont think cops should either.They both do an important job and society needs both.

But if were talking taxes then I feel schools are the problem.I dont know how to fix any of it honestly

99% of the people who defend the cops are cops or relatives though. Do you honestly think that after 5 years making 100K plus another 30K in overtime with free healthcare, free retirement, 6 weeks vacation, extra days off, and sick and vacation payout is fair for anyone? You said you have kids... what do you do for a living if you don't mind me asking? If you are married, what does your husband do? I can virtually guarantee that neither you or your husband can make anywhere near what the police make with their educatonal requirements.

Cops aren't choking you, but for the number of cops there are we are paying way too much. Just because you don't buy a certain good often doesn't mean you should vastly overpay for it. Yes they have an important and tough job. Again, just because it's important and tough doesn't mean we should pay through the nose for it.

[dolphingirl]

Originally Posted by mikeyc4582

He's speaking to market dynamics. Those who attend college and graduate school and earn advanced degrees are usually more in demand in the job market and thus command a higher salary then those with no education. Of course the exception exists, such as those with art history masters degrees. He isn't devaluing anyone - you sound like someone who doesn't have an education and therefore resents education.

No one is saying for cops to make 12 an hour, that's ridiculous. We ar saying do they need to make so much that 30,000 people pay $100 to sit for a test to get one of 200 spots???

I dont resent education at all and I happen to have one.The op seems like
he has a problem with blue collar workers.I am not "blue collar" but my parents were.Im not a cop nor married to one.I want to know my spouse has a chance of coming home everynight.It has nothing to do with education-I just think that is what makes their compensation necessary