Ahh...thats where my $10,000+ in taxes goes (Islip, Central Islip: spring break, insurance)

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by rocafeller05

$200,000 for a science teacher in Central Islip? Something is def. wrong here. I think every district should release the entire pay roll for every on it. Then decide where to cut the fat!

Central Islip, East Islip school district wages posted -- Newsday.com

Dude you pay 10k/Yr to live in CI?

Run.

Crooks

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by rocafeller05

The thread wasnt created as a teacher bashing forum. Im just glad to see where all this money is going to. I think its time to show the tax payers the payrolls & expenses for every school district every year from here on out.

Why not all of our CS employees?

Id love to see what all CS employees make make with overtime (and after how many years).

I know you can hit the Lottery with a GED and make that (and then some) with overtime in about 1/10th the time as a Suffolk County Cop.

Crooks

[NHP Guy]

I wasn't intending to bash teachers; there are certainly plenty of great teachers out there. I was putting an $80k salary into perspective w/o prejudice intended and I'm unapologetic for that. I understand that there are many "off the clock" hours that are necessary to do your job and to go above and beyond in order to be a standout in your profession, but that is not at all unique to the teaching profession.

To the Office Space poster, yes, I work for the state, so I definitely see that type of stuff from about 10-20% of the staff - it's funny, sad and frustrating all at the same time. The middle tier of employees are very solid and would probably be successful in just about any professional setting. The final 25% or so are true professionals, with virtually all of them possessing at least 1 master's degree, with quite a number of them holding doctorates. It goes without saying that many hold designations such as CPA, PE, etc. The non-management band making up that last group of the most accomplished employees is making in the $75k-$110k range; mid level managers (manager & director titles) are making from about $110k-$140k and then you start moving into the $150k-$250k range from VP on up to CEO & President - none other than Richie Kessel. The average electric utility experience of those in that lowest tier of $75k-$110k is about 25 years.

As I said, I have no issues with my salary being part of the public record and I think that all that serve in a public capacity should be held to that same standard. The public deserves that level of transparency in my opinion.

[rocafeller05]

Crooks who said I live in CI?



Anyways..I wonder when the entire list will be published and where the taxpayers can read it?

[djdairyp]

Originally Posted by NHP Guy

I wasn't intending to bash teachers; there are certainly plenty of great teachers out there. I was putting an $80k salary into perspective w/o prejudice intended and I'm unapologetic for that. I understand that there are many "off the clock" hours that are necessary to do your job and to go above and beyond in order to be a standout in your profession, but that is not at all unique to the teaching profession.

To the Office Space poster, yes, I work for the state, so I definitely see that type of stuff from about 10-20% of the staff - it's funny, sad and frustrating all at the same time. The middle tier of employees are very solid and would probably be successful in just about any professional setting. The final 25% or so are true professionals, with virtually all of them possessing at least 1 master's degree, with quite a number of them holding doctorates. It goes without saying that many hold designations such as CPA, PE, etc. The non-management band making up that last group of the most accomplished employees is making in the $75k-$110k range; mid level managers (manager & director titles) are making from about $110k-$140k and then you start moving into the $150k-$250k range from VP on up to CEO & President - none other than Richie Kessel. The average electric utility experience of those in that lowest tier of $75k-$110k is about 25 years.

As I said, I have no issues with my salary being part of the public record and I think that all that serve in a public capacity should be held to that same standard. The public deserves that level of transparency in my opinion.

That 'transparency' for teachers is also there for everyone to see. The salaries are matter of public record, though they tend to lag behind a year or so. I feel like I have posted these links at least 10 times, teacher salaries are no secret and are available for all to see.

http://www.lischooltax.com/06-7NasSal.pdf
http://www.lischooltax.com/06-7SufSal.pdf

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by rocafeller05

Crooks who said I live in CI?



Anyways..I wonder when the entire list will be published and where the taxpayers can read it?

I assumed you were upset by a teacher in your district.

Crooks

[NHP Guy]

Originally Posted by djdairyp

That 'transparency' for teachers is also there for everyone to see. The salaries are matter of public record, though they tend to lag behind a year or so. I feel like I have posted these links at least 10 times, teacher salaries are no secret and are available for all to see.

http://www.lischooltax.com/06-7NasSal.pdf
http://www.lischooltax.com/06-7SufSal.pdf

I'm talking specifically about posting individual teacher's salaries. I didn't see it in those reports that you linked to; care to point me in the right direction if I missed something? The 4 NYS school districts with teacher specific salary info was recently added to SeeThroughNY.net; the same place where you can look up my salary as an employee of NYPA. That's the 'transparency' I am referring to.

[djdairyp]

Originally Posted by NHP Guy

I'm talking specifically about posting individual teacher's salaries. I didn't see it in those reports that you linked to; care to point me in the right direction if I missed something? The 4 NYS school districts with teacher specific salary info was recently added to SeeThroughNY.net; the same place where you can look up my salary as an employee of NYPA. That's the 'transparency' I am referring to.

Whats the difference, who cares about specific teachers. Does it matter if you know what Mr Sanderson is making? Eveyone says they are just want to know teachers salaries, these are it. All you need to know is how long they have been teaching and assume they have a masters and you will have their approximate salary from the schedule within a few thousand, or you could get a pretty reliable range based on what their level of schooling might be beyond a master. If you want to know about a specific teacher go to open school night and ask them how long they have been teaching.

These are the salaries teachers get period, and most get nearly that amount with maybe a little more for a club or something. Additional salaries such as coaching positions, summer school and etc. should not really be counted because those are available for anyone, and would be considered like hiring and additional person to complete those jobs. They are district expenditures but theoretically could be given to anyone and is not really part of the teaching related salary ... if a teacher wasn't getting this money, someone else outside would be hired and get it. The biggest add on though is coaching money and you don't have to be a teacher, anyone could apply for that. That is the reason the 200k islip teacher is silly, because thats not his teaching salary, that includes his many coaching duties, activities and summer school .. its like 3 people in one.

[AlexisT]

Not to mention, the 180 days argument doesn't really apply for someone like that. He's working year round, and long days at that, if he's coaching sports all 3 seasons and doing a summer program.

[atypicalLIer]

Originally Posted by AlexisT

I have seen tables showing 50th, 75th, 95th percentile. Very few districts have 75th percentiles at 100K.

Newsday has a history of biased reporting on teacher salaries.

Newsday has a history of biased reporting PERIOD.