Are LI civil servants overpaid based on the current economy? (Nassau: how much, calculation)

[djdairyp]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

Please note that I posted nothing on the teacher's pay discussion. No double standard. Every time there's a discussion on teacher pay, it eventually degenerates to a cop-bashing forum. And it's usually started by someone who has a gripe with cops (other than pay issues.)

On prior teacher pay discussions, when someone mentions cops, your id seems to pop up saying, 'stick to the teachers' ... then in the thread from august about cops, you repeatedly referenced the teachers even though the discussion was about cops, so you were the one drawing the teachers into the discussion. In that prior thread, you say if we are going to talk taxes we have to talk teachers too, but it seems when the reverse happens and a teacher basing thread says if we are going to talk taxes then we have to mention cops too you denounce it. That's what I am taking about.

[Hi, my name is...]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

You really should check your facts before you start posting what you think you know. Cops work more hours than teachers. Their days are longer (either 9 or 12 hour shifts vs 7 hours.) And they're not off 3 months a year( including summers, Christmas, winter and Easter breaks.) Come back again when you've got accurate information.

Police get how many paid holidays? And how many weeks vacation...6? And how many sick days?? And how many "chart days"? And what about the 5 days on, 2 days off, 5 days on, 3 days off? In terms of pure base hours (not overtime pay or holiday pay), cops work a little more than teachers. It's a hidden fact that police have a significant amount of time off, as they should given the nature of the job. My contention is they shouldn't be paid the ridiculous salary in addition to all the time off and benefits. When is enough going to be enough??

[Hi, my name is...]

Originally Posted by djdairyp

On prior teacher pay discussions, when someone mentions cops, your id seems to pop up saying, 'stick to the teachers' ... then in the thread from august about cops, you repeatedly referenced the teachers even though the discussion was about cops, so you were the one drawing the teachers into the discussion. In that prior thread, you say if we are going to talk taxes we have to talk teachers too, but it seems when the reverse happens and a teacher basing thread says if we are going to talk taxes then we have to mention cops too you denounce it. That's what I am taking about.

Pay no attention to this guy. He has a bias towards cops, understandably, and he's unable to debate on facts alone because he knows the facts show the LI police are paid ridiculously for policing an area with favorable demographics and therefore less crime.

[pdcnret]

Originally Posted by Hi, my name is...

Pay no attention to this guy. He has a bias towards cops, understandably, and he's unable to debate on facts alone because he knows the facts show the LI police are paid ridiculously for policing an area with favorable demographics and therefore less crime.

I have yet to see you debate any facts about anything. Your posts consist of opinions. A sentence that includes "...because he knows the facts show the LI police are paid ridiculously ..." not only shows a bias, but an agenda. That's not a discussion ... it's a rant. You've already made up your mind. Prove your statements.

[Hi, my name is...]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

I have yet to see you debate any facts about anything. Your posts consist of opinions. A sentence that includes "...because he knows the facts show the LI police are paid ridiculously ..." not only shows a bias, but an agenda. That's not a discussion ... it's a rant. You've already made up your mind. Prove your statements.

Police get how many paid holidays? And how many weeks vacation...6? And how many sick days?? And how many "chart days"? And what about the 5 days on, 2 days off, 5 days on, 3 days off? In terms of pure base hours (not overtime pay or holiday pay), cops work a little more than teachers. It's a hidden fact that police have a significant amount of time off, as they should given the nature of the job. My contention is they shouldn't be paid the ridiculous salary in addition to all the time off and benefits. When is enough going to be enough??

[Jrprofess]

Regarding the article you linked too....it is interesting in one sense that yes, Long Island is pricing out many residents, no doubt about it, and this topic has been poured over in thread after thread after thread (cops, teachers, town goverment, etc). The irony in some of the profiles they provide are that Long Island's cost of living also made their glorious move possible. When you own a home in Head of the Harbor, you benefit from being in a million dollar neighborhood and the subsequent windfall from selling...and a retired school teacher to boot. When you sell in Huntington and take it south, you benefit as well. And then you have the woman from Queens who "felt like" she lived on Long Island, and can't afford to live here...how does an article touting domestic migration from Nassau/Suffolk include a profile of a woman who "felt like" she lived here...Newsday is quite an editorial masterpiece. And as for the truck driver with limited education, LI is absolutely a tough place to be, particularly in that situation. That would go for the entire Northeast on balance. I am not debating the high cost of living, I suppose I am simply bashing another Newsday article that falls flat...

[Lancet71]

As a postal worker I can honestly tell you that we don't make enough.All overtime has been cut because of temporary workers so base salary for someone just starting is in the 40's and a person who has the maximum amount of years in is making under 60 without OT.

[pdcnret]

Originally Posted by Hi, my name is...

Police get how many paid holidays? And how many weeks vacation...6? And how many sick days?? And how many "chart days"? And what about the 5 days on, 2 days off, 5 days on, 3 days off? In terms of pure base hours (not overtime pay or holiday pay), cops work a little more than teachers. It's a hidden fact that police have a significant amount of time off, as they should given the nature of the job. My contention is they shouldn't be paid the ridiculous salary in addition to all the time off and benefits. When is enough going to be enough??

You simply repeated what you posted last night. What's your point? Your facts are not accurate. You've grabbed some headline numbers without knowing what they mean or how they're applied and you've decided to run with them. Again, your belief that the salaries are "ridiculous" doesn't make it so. That's simply your opinion.

[Hi, my name is...]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

You simply repeated what you posted last night. What's your point? Your facts are not accurate. You've grabbed some headline numbers without knowing what they mean or how they're applied and you've decided to run with them. Again, your belief that the salaries are "ridiculous" doesn't make it so. That's simply your opinion.

If the facts aren't right, dispute the days off I mentioned... if you can officer

[Jrprofess]

Originally Posted by Lancet71

As a postal worker I can honestly tell you that we don't make enough.All overtime has been cut because of temporary workers so base salary for someone just starting is in the 40's and a person who has the maximum amount of years in is making under 60 without OT.

Is it true that the Post Office has increased this process of hiring one-year temps, delying benefits until the year is complete, and then letting them go in the 11th month? I have heard this is common practice?