Given the current economic meltdown, are the Police on Long Island overpaid? (Jay: house, bankruptcy)

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by LongIslandCitizen

Crooks you seem like an ok guy but don't tell me what I can and can't talk about. Many veterans that served our country are now patrolling your neighborhood.

My family are decorated Military, I thank them often.

Please stay on topic or start a new thread Sir.

Respectfully,

Crooks

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by rprprprp

What a complete loaded question. Instead of saying "Given the current economic meltdown"... why not phrase it "Given that policemen and women risk their lives to protect us are they overpaid?" and see what the results are?
Never been helped by a policeman? The fact that they do their job and you don't have to think about them and all the bad people who want what is yours or endanger you means you have.

No I am not a policemen, don't know any policemen and just got two tickets for rolling through a stop sign.

Is it eqaully as loaded for Teachers? It wasnt my intent.

I wasnt sure how else to phrase it to keep it current and specific to this economy.

Given the current economic meltdown, are the Teachers on Long Island overpaid?

crooks

[Hi, my name is...]

Originally Posted by rprprprp

What a complete loaded question. Instead of saying "Given the current economic meltdown"... why not phrase it "Given that policemen and women risk their lives to protect us are they overpaid?" and see what the results are?
Never been helped by a policeman? The fact that they do their job and you don't have to think about them and all the bad people who want what is yours or endanger you means you have.

No I am not a policemen, don't know any policemen and just got two tickets for rolling through a stop sign.

According to BLS stats, landscapers are at a higher risk for injury/death on the job than police officers. Should Paco who mows my lawn get paid 120k with OT, have 6 weeks vacation and plenty of other days off, a free pension after 20 years, free healthcare, and job security such that Paco never has to worry about being laid off???

[dman72]

Originally Posted by Hi, my name is...

I support law enforement I just don't support making law enforement officers wealthy, especially in this economic times. As I said before, LI cops gets paid like high-level managers in the for profit sector, have the benefits afforded to union members in the 1940's, have time off like a teacher, and the job security of a toilet paper salesman.

LOL.

Look, I see what cops have to do, and I know I wouldn't want to do it. Yeah, there's a lot of down time for some cops in some sectors in Suffolk..I know because I've seen 3 of them parked behind BJ's in Islandia for over a half an hour without budging while I'm stocking up for the week.

That being said, I've also seen them peeling filthy drunks off the sidewalk in Port Jefferson and having to deal with the mentally ill. In regards to their compensation, the pay outs on retirement, the $0 health care and pension, the overtime..that stuff is absurd. You could fund another entire police force on what you are shelling out in those areas. The cops base salary in itself is not ludicrous for Long Island. Eliminate overtime with new hires (which also cuts down on pension payouts), get some concessions on the benefits, and you'll have something much more realistic.

As for the PBA's commercials in Suffolk, "Steve Levy doesn't think they are worth it...we disagree."

Uh, you're the PBA...you think they're worth 500K a year, WTF are these commercials supposed to mean?

The commercials, if they were honest, should say "Steve Levy doesn't think that SCPD are worth more than the median family income on LI in base pay as individuals, and sometimes twice that with overtime and total compensation..we disagree."


As for having Iraq war veterans on the police force..I'm not so sure that is a good idea. Dealing with insurgents vs. dealing with traffic violations and domestic disputes isn't quite the same thing.

[ClarkStreetKid]

Originally Posted by TomMoser

For all that many have to say about police officers, in the end they are the only thing that stands between us and the criminal element. I support them being paid well. Although, for the most part, their days afe pretty routine, there are those times when officers step forward to defend us against evil. We can debate all day abouth whether they should be paid 100K, 80K, or 60K, but the fact is, when you need help there is nobody that you would rather see then a police officer.

With all due respect Tom, a LEO does not defend you against evil, he enforces the law. That's it. A citizen must learn to legally take care of themselves because they will always be the one to be first on scene when trouble strikes. Things like an effective neighborhood watch, keeping a neighborhood clean, good first aid & CPR training, awareness and avoiding places where trouble happens are all things that will keep you safer.

The only person that in the end that stands between us and the criminal element is us. A LEO can't be everywhere and I don't think it's realistic to weigh them down with what we are responsible for.

[WIHS2006]

Well first we have to define which police we are talking about. Long Island has dozens of police forces and other law enforcement agencies ... I believe we have close to 60 such agencies here in Suffolk County alone.

Suffolk County Police - definitely way overpaid
Suffolk County Sheriff (Deputy Sheriffs) - normal salary for the region
Suffolk County Sheriff (Correction Officers) - way overpaid for their title
Suffolk County Park Police - ? - I am not sure this agency still exists, I have heard that they were or are in the process of merging into the Sheriff's Office as deputy sheriffs.
Suffolk County Community College Public Safety - ?

Town and Village Police in Suffolk County are generally only a little bit lower paid then the Suffolk County Police.

Town and Village Code Enforcement/Fire Marshals/Public Safety/Park Rangers/Marine Patrol/Bay Constables/Long Island MacArthur Airport Police/etc are generally paid even less then Suffolk County Deputy Sheriffs.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by WIHS2006

Well first we have to define which police we are talking about. Long Island has dozens of police forces and other law enforcement agencies ... I believe we have close to 60 such agencies here in Suffolk County alone.

Suffolk County Police - definitely way overpaid
Suffolk County Sheriff (Deputy Sheriffs) - normal salary for the region
Suffolk County Sheriff (Correction Officers) - way overpaid for their title
Suffolk County Park Police - ? - I am not sure this agency still exists, I have heard that they were or are in the process of merging into the Sheriff's Office as deputy sheriffs.
Suffolk County Community College Public Safety - ?

Town and Village Police in Suffolk County are generally only a little bit lower paid then the Suffolk County Police.

Town and Village Code Enforcement/Fire Marshals/Public Safety/Park Rangers/Marine Patrol/Bay Constables/Long Island MacArthur Airport Police/etc are generally paid even less then Suffolk County Deputy Sheriffs.

The agencies you list there that don't have to make arrests probably shouldn't be paid what police do, in all fairness.

[Hi, my name is...]

Originally Posted by dman72

The agencies you list there that don't have to make arrests probably shouldn't be paid what police do, in all fairness.

The deputy sheriffs do make arrests and are paid a fair wage to do just about the same work at the SCPD. The compensation difference between the 2 agencies is appauling...

[dman72]

Originally Posted by Hi, my name is...

The deputy sheriffs do make arrests and are paid a fair wage to do just about the same work at the SCPD. The compensation difference between the 2 agencies is appauling...

Right, in that case the situation needs to be addressed, although the addressing it should involve SCPD compensation coming down as much as SCDS's compensation coming up.

[WIHS2006]

Originally Posted by Hi, my name is...

The deputy sheriffs do make arrests and are paid a fair wage to do just about the same work at the SCPD. The compensation difference between the 2 agencies is appauling...

Agreed, the average Suffolk County deputy sheriff will only make half of what a Suffolk County Police officer will make. Combine that with being bashed left and right by the SCPD PBA who wont even admit that they go to the same academy and receive the same exact training as SCPD officers plus the additional training in civil law and detention process.