Newsweek 2009 top 1500 schools (Union: top school, teacher salaries, versus)

[dman72]

Originally Posted by 56 Fighter

Teachers shouldn't make $30g a year after 10 years but they shouldn't make $200k a year after 30 either. I don't think anyone has any problem with teachers making $80-$100k after 20 or so years and starting around $40k. However when it gets to be more than that is when people start taking issue. I wonder how many teachers in LI schools earn over $125k on LI versus other high cost areas...

As for the $200K, that's one teacher in one district who did everything outside of their normal duties to earn more money..teaching summer school, coaching teams and clubs, etc. That salary is a mirage floating around in everyones selective memory because they saw it in a Newsday article. To cite that shows a certain level of intellectual dishonesty, but I'll move on from that...

As for the rest of your post, you're talking about lowering salaries by about 10%-15%. Yep, that's it. A starting teacher is low to high 40's, and most max out low 100's to 120K or so after 25 years or so depending on their credits.

That would lower property taxes by about 5% for the average person on LI if you cut teachers salaries Yep, that's it. Tell me, is someone thinking of moving off Long Island going to change their mind because of $400-$1,000 a year? I'm not saying that something shouldn't be done, but the impact it will have on COL on Long Island will be negligible, at best.
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....and the foaming at the mouth lunatics wouldn't be slowed down for a SECOND by that kind of reduction.

[56 Fighter]

Originally Posted by dman72

As for the $200K, that's one teacher in one district who did everything outside of their normal duties to earn more money..teaching summer school, coaching teams and clubs, etc. That salary is a mirage floating around in everyones selective memory because they saw it in a Newsday article. To cite that shows a certain level of intellectual dishonesty, but I'll move on from that...

You call it intellectual dishonesty, I call it a disgrace. I didn't say every teacher was making that, but the fact that 1 teacher could make that kind of money should be criminal.

Originally Posted by dman72

As for the rest of your post, you're talking about lowering salaries by about 10%-15%. Yep, that's it. A starting teacher is low to high 40's, and most max out low 100's to 120K or so after 25 years or so depending on their credits.

That would lower property taxes by about 5% for the average person on LI if you cut teachers salaries Yep, that's it. Tell me, is someone thinking of moving off Long Island going to change their mind because of $400-$1,000 a year? I'm not saying that something shouldn't be done, but the impact it will have on COL on Long Island will be negligible, at best.
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....and the foaming at the mouth lunatics wouldn't be slowed down for a SECOND by that kind of reduction.

Reducing property taxes by any amount is a good thing. They are rising every year to ridiculous amounts and there's no end in site. while a 5% reduction wouldn't make anyone who is poor become wealthy, it will stabilize a situation that is spiraling out of control and provide somewhat of a reprieve from tax hikes even if for only a couple of years.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by 56 Fighter

You call it intellectual dishonesty, I call it a disgrace. I didn't say every teacher was making that, but the fact that 1 teacher could make that kind of money should be criminal.

Reducing property taxes by any amount is a good thing. They are rising every year to ridiculous amounts and there's no end in site. while a 5% reduction wouldn't make anyone who is poor become wealthy, it will stabilize a situation that is spiraling out of control and provide somewhat of a reprieve from tax hikes even if for only a couple of years.

You used the term "teachers" in your first sentence..as in multiple. That's BS.

I'm all for it..cut cops and teachers salaries across the board by 10%. It would affect me on one end, but help me on another. Then, cut the cops salaries by 10-15 (they make a lot more than teachers) and you might save the taxpayer another 2-3%. Then clean out all the nepotism and corruption, and you'll see where the money is really going. No bid contracts, pensions for part time work, people pulling multiple salaries, etc.

As someone else has pointed out in other threads, the real reason LI is so expensive is because there are so many people skimming off the top in so many areas. It's all part of this "I've got to screw someone else because I got screwed" wannabe, mini mobster mentality that pervades. From the guy fixing your faucet to the PBA to the teachers union to the Highway Dept, etc....everyone is running a "racket" at the taxpayers and ethical consumers expense.

[56 Fighter]

Originally Posted by dman72

You used the term "teachers" in your first sentence..as in multiple. That's BS.

The point is that it happens. And yes, one teacher made 230ish or whatever it was... but how many made 190ish over the same time period? I actually don't care what the exact number is and don't want to argue about minutia - the point is it can happen and has happened and should never happen.

Originally Posted by dman72

I'm all for it..cut cops and teachers salaries across the board by 10%. It would affect me on one end, but help me on another. Then, cut the cops salaries by 10-15 (they make a lot more than teachers) and you might save the taxpayer another 2-3%. Then clean out all the nepotism and corruption, and you'll see where the money is really going. No bid contracts, pensions for part time work, people pulling multiple salaries, etc.

I agree - I also think you can do away with paying cops for vacation banks and put them on a "use it or lose it" plan. I also would get rid of the sick time payout and tell cops to stay home if sick but if they abuse it they risk termination like everyone else. I'd also eliminate overtime from the pension contribution. I'd also make cops work 25 years before they become eligible for retirement. And after all of this, you'll still see lines in the tens of thousands to take the NCPD and SCPD test.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by 56 Fighter

The point is that it happens. And yes, one teacher made 230ish or whatever it was... but how many made 190ish over the same time period? I actually don't care what the exact number is and don't want to argue about minutia - the point is it can happen and has happened and should never happen.


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Frankly, I don't know how the guy pulled it off. Of course it's ridiculous and shouldn't happen. That's not what 99% of teachers get paid though..not even close. 190 would be more than a department chairperson coaching 3 teams in my wife's school.

[sickofnyc99]

I wish I still had a copy of the EI teachers list. 3/4 of the teachers there were making over 100k. You don't need that many football coaches and I can't imagine that many kids being in SS to warrant that.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by sickofnyc99

I wish I still had a copy of the EI teachers list. 3/4 of the teachers there were making over 100k. You don't need that many football coaches and I can't imagine that many kids being in SS to warrant that.

Must have been a lot of older teachers then. My wife has 10 years in her district and is quite a ways away from 100K. She won't be there for another 8-10 years WITH the current contract, which will not hold up that long in this economy.

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by sickofnyc99

I wish I still had a copy of the EI teachers list. 3/4 of the teachers there were making over 100k. You don't need that many football coaches and I can't imagine that many kids being in SS to warrant that.

DIG IT OUT PLEASE! And anyone who knows where to get this info on any SD, please share.

I am sick of hearing that they "make the same as in other parts of the country" or "the __ percentile in ____ LI SD is just slightly above other parts in the country," like the below from another thread:

By the way, the 75th percentile for public school teachers in Bethesda MD, where highly ranked Walt Whitman HS (I pulled that one at random because it didn't appear to be a "specialty" type school like all the ones in NYC) according to salary.com is $62K.

The 75th % for Jericho NY (another highly ranked school) is....$63K.

Oh my goodness, the outrageous salaries on LI!!

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I don't want to see "percentile charts" of what "is supposed" to be happening or what "is ideal" to be happening. I want to see what they are actually getting and how many are getting what, gross salary wise! Reality when it comes to how many are making how much tends to be different from the percentiles cited.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

DIG IT OUT PLEASE! And anyone who knows where to get this info on any SD, please share.

I am sick of hearing that they "make the same as in other parts of the country" or "the __ percentile in ____ LI SD is just slightly above other parts in the country," like the below from another thread:

By the way, the 75th percentile for public school teachers in Bethesda MD, where highly ranked Walt Whitman HS (I pulled that one at random because it didn't appear to be a "specialty" type school like all the ones in NYC) according to salary.com is $62K.

The 75th % for Jericho NY (another highly ranked school) is....$63K.

Oh my goodness, the outrageous salaries on LI!!

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I don't want to see "percentile charts" of what "is supposed" to be happening or what "is ideal" to be happening. I want to see what they are actually getting and how many are getting what, gross salary wise! Reality when it comes to how many are making how much tends to be different from the percentiles cited.

So if the percentile for LI teachers is wrong, what makes you think that the percentiles for a teacher in Bethesda Md are right when they say 62K? I get it now!!!! ..the people at salary.com are.....in cahoots with the EVIL TEACHERS UNIONS ON LI!!!!!????

[djdairyp]

Originally Posted by sickofnyc99

I wish I still had a copy of the EI teachers list. 3/4 of the teachers there were making over 100k. You don't need that many football coaches and I can't imagine that many kids being in SS to warrant that.

Long Island Schools - Test scores, school programs - Newsday.com

Here is a list from newsday, granted its from 2005, so 3 years later, increase by about 3% a year gives you $80,000 avg. salary with avg teaching age of 14 years, and only half of teachers at Masters+30 or above.

So how could 3/4 be making over 100k. Doesn't add up.