Is "White Flight" over on LI? (Brentwood, Centereach: 2009, renting)

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by Jrprofess

I'm guessing Hot Karl misses about 75% of Long Island in his travels .

Prolly right.

Its painfully White out here.

Crooks

[Huckleberry3911948]

Originally Posted by scottzilla

I think the term white flight refers to the exodus out of NYC to live in what was perceived to be a better area-LI.
I'm sure you can find examples of white folks leaving suburban areas but for the most part, I think it's an urban term.
Along these lines, I chuckle when I read real estate discussions here that advise against living in (And even living near) certain areas that are "bad". Gordon Heights, Homestead Village come to mind as recent discussions. I chuckle because everyone tip-toes around the fact that these areas are "Black". Nobody has the guts to say "Don't live there because it's a black neighborhood".

violence makes people move not color.
ask any former AA resident of south Los Angeles

[DonnaReed]

Originally Posted by napjester666

Today, you have to be middle-class (regardless or race) to be able to afford to move here anyway!

Are you kidding?

Why would someone need to be middle class to move to LI as opposed to anywhere else.

[DonnaReed]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

violence makes people move not color.
ask any former AA resident of south Los Angeles

Fear is more responsible for "white flight".

Fear of the unknown, stereotypes, prejudice, racism...

Oh, and property value....*s*

[dman72]

Originally Posted by DonnaReed

Fear is more responsible for "white flight".

Fear of the unknown, stereotypes, prejudice, racism...

Oh, and property value....*s*

Eh, that's what many people would like to think. However, transport yourself back to the South Bronx in the 1960's, and maybe you'll change your tune about what the fears were all about. When you're apartment gets robbed 3 times and your kids get beaten in school everyday by thugs who view them as targets, you should just hang in there because you wouldn't want your "prejudice" to control your decisions. The African American and Puerto Rican young men that were hapless victims of your "stereotyping" while they were beating your kids up..they really are running through fields picking daisies after school!! They only beat your kids up because your kids asked for it!!



Violence in inner cities was real..people fled it for a reason.

[OhBeeHave]

Originally Posted by dman72

Eh, that's what many people would like to think. However, transport yourself back to the South Bronx in the 1960's, and maybe you'll change your tune about what the fears were all about. When you're apartment gets robbed 3 times and your kids get beaten in school everyday by thugs who view them as targets, you should just hang in there because you wouldn't want your "prejudice" to control your decisions. The African American and Puerto Rican young men that were hapless victims of your "stereotyping" while they were beating your kids up..they really are running through fields picking daisies after school!! They only beat your kids up because your kids asked for it!!



Violence in inner cities was real..people fled it for a reason.

The Grand Concourse in the Bronx was once a lovely area. My mother, Hispanic, grew up there (as a minority) amongst many Jewish families. Her family strove to succeed and she did very well in school along with her peers. She was accepted, not feared, because the family was a part of the community.

I was told that when Co-op City was built, that many of the families moved there, into new buildings. The tenants moving into the empty apartments in the older buildings started carrying on in less-than-acceptable fashion -- urinating in stairways, elevators, and courtyards, tossing trash outside the door or window as opposed to taking it downstairs. One or two small negative QOL issues gradually turned to more -- public drunkeness, loitering, drug dealing, violence.

The once lovely Grand Concourse spiraled into a ghetto hood.

My Hispanic mother and Irish dad were faced with a decision -- raise their children in an area which grew worse by the day, or move out to LI or up to Westchester or Rockland. Dad was NYPD in the 60's and saw what took place, knew what was happening. Next stop..Levittown.

My parents left the Bronx because of violence. If the QOL hadn't changed, they never would have left.


On the flip side: they sold their Massapequa home to retire down south. The family who bought it admitted to leaving Baldwin because it was 'changing'. White Flight was alive and well in 1996.

[scottzilla]

I would say 80 % of the people that moved to Suffolk from 1965-1979 came from "The city".

[dman72]

Originally Posted by OhBeeHave

The Grand Concourse in the Bronx was once a lovely area. My mother, Hispanic, grew up there (as a minority) amongst many Jewish families. Her family strove to succeed and she did very well in school along with her peers. She was accepted, not feared, because the family was a part of the community.

I was told that when Co-op City was built, that many of the families moved there, into new buildings. The tenants moving into the empty apartments in the older buildings started carrying on in less-than-acceptable fashion -- urinating in stairways, elevators, and courtyards, tossing trash outside the door or window as opposed to taking it downstairs. One or two small negative QOL issues gradually turned to more -- public drunkeness, loitering, drug dealing, violence.

The once lovely Grand Concourse spiraled into a ghetto hood.

My Hispanic mother and Irish dad were faced with a decision -- raise their children in an area which grew worse by the day, or move out to LI or up to Westchester or Rockland. Dad was NYPD in the 60's and saw what took place, knew what was happening. Next stop..Levittown.

My parents left the Bronx because of violence. If the QOL hadn't changed, they never would have left.


On the flip side: they sold their Massapequa home to retire down south. The family who bought it admitted to leaving Baldwin because it was 'changing'. White Flight was alive and well in 1996.

Apparently you missed the point, though: your parents (including the Hispanic one) were prejudiced racists operating only on fear.



J/K. Hindsight is interesting..nothing dangerous was happening in inner city NYC in the 60's and 70's, nope. It was just knee jerk prejudice that made people run. Has anyone seen a picture of NYC during the 70's?

[hotkarl]

Originally Posted by Jrprofess

I'm guessing Hot Karl misses about 75% of Long Island in his travels .

No silly, I'm just saying LI aint as white as it used to be
There's alot more pepper in the salt shaker now. Ha!

I am finding more and more non-white folk living in towns that were formerly all or close to all white. LI is becoming much more diverse, and less segregated than before. It still is primarily white overall here.

[TheTruth08]

I really do hope Long Island becomes less segregated. It seems like in the southern suburbs blacks and whites live next door to each other. I am black myself and there are a lot of places I would like to live and visit in this world, but I am not sure how comfortable I would be. So it seems like I am going to stay in the Northeast for now.