Is "White Flight" over on LI? (Hempstead, Roosevelt: home, tax)

[TheTruth08]

Originally Posted by dman72

You must have Savannah and Charleston mixed up with middle of nowhere Kentucky. It's white kids who get their heads smashed in in Savannah..I know one who had that happen to them during college waiting on line at a convenience store. The local African Americans there don't appreciate lily-white art students.

I think you're about a century off on your characterizations of these cities. If you were talking about rural white Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama..that's different.

Haha. Maybe I am a little bit off on my characterizations. I didn't know Savannah was like that. I wouldnt even bother going to states like Alabama, Lousiana, Tennessee, Kentucky, and some parts of the midwest. Race relations are poor and the AA's who live there are poor also.

[Jdawg8181]

Originally Posted by AlexisT

BTW, according to the census, people from the Middle East and North Africa are considered white. So, Kings Point is 92% white, even though 30% of its residents report Iranian ancestry.

techincally...wouldn't middle-easterners be considered asian?

[dman72]

Originally Posted by Jdawg8181

techincally...wouldn't middle-easterners be considered asian?

Iran is technically NOT part of the Middle East, according to my Middle Eastern History Professor in College. Iran, Afghanistan are technically in some other region. So, we're all over the place here!!!

Actually, Arabs are considered white (caucasian, originating form the Caucus Mtns)..but if they live in the middle east, which is part of Asia....aren't they Asian?


...my head is going to explode!!

[jpg71]

Here are the demographic racial types used in the 2000 US Census:

• "White. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as "White" or report entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Near Easterner, Arab, or Polish."

• "Black or African American. A person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as 'Black, African Am., or Negro,' or provide written entries such as African American, Afro American, Kenyan, Nigerian, or Haitian."

• "American Indian and Alaska Native. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America) and who maintain tribal affiliation or community attachment."

• "Asian. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam. It includes 'Asian Indian', 'Chinese', 'Filipino', 'Korean', 'Japanese', 'Vietnamese', and 'Other Asian'."

• 'Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands. It includes people who indicate their race as 'Native Hawaiian', 'Guamanian or Chamorro', 'Samoan', and 'Other Pacific Islander'."

• "Some other race. Includes all other responses not included in the 'White', 'Black or African American', 'American Indian and Alaska Native', 'Asian' and 'Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander' race categories described above. Respondents providing write-in entries such as multiracial, mixed, interracial, Wesort, or a Hispanic/Latino group (for example, Mexican, Puerto Rican, or Cuban) in the 'Some other race' category are included here."

• "Two or more races. People may have chosen to provide two or more races either by checking two or more race response check boxes, by providing multiple write-in responses, or by some combination of check boxes and write-in responses."

That said, the 2000 US Census also accounted for ethnicity, albeit with only two choices: "Hispanic or Latino" and "Not Hispanic or Latino."

Thanks Wikipedia!

[OhBeeHave]

Originally Posted by Samrai309

To be fair and not paint with a broad stroke, there are probably good hard working people that are in really bad living places and I am sure they have morals, values, standards, etc...but aside from that, did you ever stop to think what goes through someone's mind where they think that urinating in elevators, stairwells, etc of "their home" or "their building" is acceptable? I mean I often wonder, when things first began to change in some of these areas...what actually makes a person think...hmm....I really gotta go...theres a good spot....

I got plenty of friends and relatives that are nypd, fdny and fdny paramedic and the stories they tell me of some of these living conditions they see....I am amazed...not usually surprised but just amazed at what I hear.

I can't wrap my mind around what makes a person think it's ok to use a public space within their building acceptable. I can understand a little child having an accident in their pants because they've held it too long, but grown adults not being able to hold it until they've reached a toilet?

The people leaving the area for Co-op City were also good, hard-working people and none of them urinated in public spaces, defaced the building with graffitti, or threw litter about. The tenants who replaced them weren't all bad; some just had different views about how they wished to live. Some of them were 'sticking it to the man' and had lousy attitudes. The good people (both old and new) still tried to maintain some level of a better standard of living, but it was very difficult.

Junkies were stealing things which weren't locked up -- my sister's stroller was stolen from the basement storage area (where everyone kept things), bicycles disappeared and cars were broken into at an increasing frequency. Women were hasselled (sp?) when trying to walk to go shopping, hyperdermic needles were being found on the playgrounds -- 40 years ago.

There are many people out there who were raised to be responsible and who hold themselves accountable for their actions. These are the people who clean up after their neighbors and themselves, who have pride in where they live. The are trying to right what is wrong in their community. They give me hope that one day, the Grand Concourse will return to it's long ago former glory. Then there are those who are members of the Entitlement Club. The world (or at least those of us who are working our tails off) owe them a living.

Your friends on the job see the aftermath. Those buildings were once beautiful and kept in good working order. Those deplorable conditions didn't exist until the Entitlement Club moved in. Granted, some landlords are slumlords, but not all of them. Why would property owners keep buildings standing vacant in the Bronx as opposed to rehabbing and renting them out? Could it be that the tenant destruction they've seen over the years isn't worth the cost of rehabbing?

This isn't about skin color at all. This is about people who don't give a hoot about anything or anyone other than themselves. Some people are raised properly, others are dragged up.

Everyday I am grateful that my parents decided to move away from the violence and drugs that overtook a once lovely area. It is something that could happen anywhere, at any given time. No place is immune.

[I_Love_LI_but]

There are some people who are just plain slobs. One of my friends lives in Forest Hills and she says the Russian immigrants there routinely urinate in the street, on the sides of buildings, etc., and once she saw a mother have her child (looked around 8 years old) DEFECATE on the wide median of Queens Blvd. Now that is gross!

[minesbroken]

Originally Posted by scottzilla

I think the term white flight refers to the exodus out of NYC to live in what was perceived to be a better area-LI.
I'm sure you can find examples of white folks leaving suburban areas but for the most part, I think it's an urban term.
Along these lines, I chuckle when I read real estate discussions here that advise against living in (And even living near) certain areas that are "bad". Gordon Heights, Homestead Village come to mind as recent discussions. I chuckle because everyone tip-toes around the fact that these areas are "Black". Nobody has the guts to say "Don't live there because it's a black neighborhood".

it would be a better world if we were all born blind. I believe that its not the color of your skin but the weight of your pocket that determines what neigborhood that you live in. Havent you people figured it out yet? its not color... its stature. It's rich vs poor. Stupid comes in every color, but only the wealthy strive to "keep you in your place" and you all fall in like little sheep, and when someone starts to complain they lower the gas prices a few dollars and have a sale on lcd tv's and then its quiet for awhile. If your choosing a side based on color then your a complete idiot. My neigborhood is diverse, and I couldnt be happier. I have lots of "Black" neigbors and white ones and asian ones... good melting pot over here. Idiots point the finger at other races while the wealthy steal the bread off your table.
morons
wake up and stop letting them take from you. Clear your heads and shake hands with all your brothers and sisters and let the past go. Our leadership is at fault on every level of government. our factories have moved away and now all we have left are service and sales jobs. How long did they think it would be before we didnt need anymore crap for our houses? how long did they think this would last?
they made they're money and then left us out to dry and we didnt see it coming because we're more worried about what color our neigbors are, what dress michelle obama is wearing and who called who fat at the US open.

[Keke25]

Long island is still racially segregated. white people and other groups as well look at Hempstead Roosevelt wyandanch some parts of coram amityville, westbury as bad neighborhoods because its predominately black. Im from hempstead born and raised and i can tell you some parts are not great and i avoid those sections but the other parts are very nice. There are blacks who work hard own their homes and like nice things and want to keep them nice. It just a shame that once section of a town makes it bad. Half of the people that say these areas are bad just never been around a largely different group of people. White flight still exist

[Keke25]

Hempstead went down hill because of Roosevelt field mall. It took alot of stores out of business. TSS moved to Roosevelt field for a while. There was another department store in hempstead but i cant remeber the name im only 25. They would not hire kids from Hempstead especially if you live on Terrace because they felt you will steal. talk about stereotyping. anyway. stores were taking away , and renting killed hempstead as well. When you have more renters than homeowners they dont care about the property and wont treat it the same way as a home owner.

[OhBeeHave]

Originally Posted by Keke25

Hempstead went down hill because of Roosevelt field mall. It took alot of stores out of business. TSS moved to Roosevelt field for a while. There was another department store in hempstead but i cant remeber the name im only 25. They would not hire kids from Hempstead especially if you live on Terrace because they felt you will steal. talk about stereotyping. anyway. stores were taking away , and renting killed hempstead as well. When you have more renters than homeowners they dont care about the property and wont treat it the same way as a home owner.

I worked in Roslyn with 2 women -- 1 young, the other a single mom in her 30's -- who both lived on Terrace Ave. They rode the bus back and forth each day. I lived on the south shore in Massapequa and owned a car. There were some frigid days, as well as torrential rainy days when they would stand there and wait.

I realized that these two women were no different than I, and that through good fortune I as not standing in their shoes. Whenever the weather was foul I made a point of offering to drive them home. The first time I offered, they warned me about Terrace Ave, and that how my complexion (very fair) could cause me problems. How awful they must have felt to have to warn off a someone who was trying to save them some time, some money, and a possible cold from standing waiting for a late bus?

A few times my offer was accepted. To this day -- 25 years later -- I can still sense the bleakness which pervaded the block.

Yes, there are bad and nice areas in Hempstead, but for me Terrace Ave will always be symbolic of the area's downward spiral.