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Thanks for posting this info (Again!), samyn.....though personally I've given up trying to talk common sense on these kinds of threads. Even if the FAA sent out a representative, a pilot and an aeronautical engineer to each of these folks' homes to explain the matter, even if we got them to digest a mountain of statistics, read books on physics, research plane crashes over the last 50 years.....even if we got a time machine and sent them all back in time to prove that there has always* been tons of air traffic over Long Island (aka "The Cradle of Aviation"), I seriously doubt it would do any good.
The motto of the LI Forum should be "NEVER LET THE FACTS GET IN THE WAY OF YOUR OPINION". In fact, is there some way we can get a banner right on top of the index page, proudly announcing that mission statement for all the world to see?
*= Since 1903 at least. I'm sure someone would have pointed out that airplanes weren't invented until the 20th century.
Agreed sean. No matter how many facts you post about the airports many won't get it. It reminds me of this picture
I gather none of you put up with the noise we put up with down here. It's been atrocious tonight! Its the flight pattern that is retarded, since only someone retarded would fly jets in a roundabout pattern low over people's homes and businesses instead of directly in from the ocean.
BTW the wind is from the NE tonight, as another jet whines and does acrobatics over my street.
1. We know for a fact that flight paths are used regardless of winds. 22L has been used with winds from the north too. The fact is that JFK is not allowed to fly aircraft over the Island after 11pm. So, after that time, planes all of a sudden shift back to Ocean approaches. Clearly, they could have done that all along. Nonetheless, let's assume its all about safety and wind and go on to Point 2.
2. There seem to be two key approaches to 22L--The RNAV approach you posted as well as the Belmont Visual Approach. Unfortunately, the Belmont Visual approach lately has been used even with cloudy weather.
It is complete and utter BS to say that pilots cannot use more than 2 approaches to a single runway. Let's take the Belmont Visual approach for example. It's not even the best way to approach runway 22L. The planes fly over Garden City and then have to veer left at the last minute to straighten up and get onto the runway. So why do they do it?
Clearly because they don't want to overburden New Hyde Park and Floral Park which are the victims of the RNAV approach. What's this? They actually were able to plan a second approach into the runway to spread noise burden? Yes, the FAA, pilots, and air traffic control actually can handle multiple approach patterns to a runway if they really want to.
Frankly, they should have at least one or two more alternate approaches into 22L. On any given day, they could follow one of those single approaches and land in single file order as you mentioned without any risk to safety. At the same time, they would spread the noise burden out (over a given week) much more so that certain streets and neighborhoods aren't abused the whole time.
If you look at various traffics website you'll see there is absolutely no other real traffic from well east of GC all the way to well west of Bellerose and beyond. There is plenty of space to use some alternate approaches.
Simply putting the burden on specific isolated neighborhoods all the time is unacceptable. I've studied all the fllight patterns. I know all about the vectors used and the 3 degree approach angles necessary for a safe touchdown. My complaints are not made out of ignorance. They are legitimate and clearly the status quo is not the best solution for our community.
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That sucks. It was even worse over GC tonight. My wife is nine months pregnant and can't sleep with all those engines over the house (windows closed too).
It's just going to get worse though. In late June, they are going to start a major 2 yr overhaul of runway 13-31 at JFK (the main runway). That means even more flights will be dumped on 22L and over our neighborhoods. From March - June 2010, that runway will be completely shut down and we'll really be nailed then.
I can't imagine how annoying the noise must be. Considering that as a renter here in Suffolk, I get mostly aggrevated with constant, noise/pollution generating, gasoline wasteful lawn mowing, debris blowing, grass trimming noise!!! It is ridiculous, they are everywhere. I seriously can not stand it, whatever happened to native plants, but that's really another story...sorry to have jumped in at this thread. Let's stop the noise!!!
Not to aggravate the situation but has anyone ever considered moving?
Which is why this may drive property values down. Who wants to pay these high home prices and taxes with jets roaring overhead?
And its only a matter of time before homeowners insurance companies get wind of this and start raising rates, or cancelling policies altogether, due to the increased risk of property loss in the event of a crash.
That sucks. It was even worse over GC tonight. My wife is nine months pregnant and can't sleep with all those engines over the house (windows closed too).
It's just going to get worse though. In late June, they are going to start a major 2 yr overhaul of runway 13-31 at JFK (the main runway). That means even more flights will be dumped on 22L and over our neighborhoods. From March - June 2010, that runway will be completely shut down and we'll really be nailed then.
Ugh...we really need to turn up the heat on the FAA to do something.
Cant they use 22 with an ocean approach?
Unfortunately, nothing can be done. These flight paths were created to alleviate congestion in the NE corridor and to provide easier and more fuel efficient flight patterns for aircraft approaching from different parts of the country. Complaining about the jet noise is the proverbial "beating a dead horse". You think you guys have it bad? Talk to folks who live around London Heathrow. This noise is the future for Nassau County and is something that will require residents to "get use to it"
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Ugh...we really need to turn up the heat on the FAA to do something.
Cant they use 22 with an ocean approach?
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