Stop letting your kids drive fast cars (New York, Yaphank: how much, shop)

[Speedaddicted]

Originally Posted by minesbroken

The cops cant catch everyone, and people these days would give they're kids anything they want rather than hear them whine. I see it every day. I work in car audio and security. I see kids that just got they're licenses yesterday and mommy and daddy gave them a BMW or a Lexus today. your first car is supposed to be a hunk of crap people...not a brand new lexus. Where have the values gone? Where is the last stronghold of common sense? tell me so I can move there!! We should have more traffic cams or something. they should have speed cams on major highways and stop light cams at major intersections. Set them at 11 mph over the speed limit and the people who shouldnt have licenses wont have them long. They will probably have 20 tickets before they get the first one in the mail lol.

Your first car should be whatever you can afford it to be. Stop being a hater. My first car was an 86 Jetta so I wasnt a silver spoon kid, but if the parents can afford a BMW or a Lexus, why not give it to them? That has very little bearing on thier driving habit. If you putr a dumb kid in a 76 pinto or a 2009 Vette the results are the same, dumb kid in a car. I know plenty of silver spoon kids with great sense that come out to local SCCA events, why because thier parents make them. Its about the individual, not thier car.

[56 Fighter]

Originally Posted by Speedaddicted

Your first car should be whatever you can afford it to be. Stop being a hater. My first car was an 86 Jetta so I wasnt a silver spoon kid, but if the parents can afford a BMW or a Lexus, why not give it to them? That has very little bearing on thier driving habit. If you putr a dumb kid in a 76 pinto or a 2009 Vette the results are the same, dumb kid in a car. I know plenty of silver spoon kids with great sense that come out to local SCCA events, why because thier parents make them. Its about the individual, not thier car.

It's about the individual, not the car? So the kid in a new BMW isn't any higher risk than a kid in a beat up 1988 pontiac?

Sorry guy, I know you love your super fast speedracer, but the fact is a car that goes faster and has greater horse-power is also a lot tougher for a new driver to drive than a beat up piece of junk that takes 20 seconds to hit 50mph. This is common sense and is the reason the other poster stated a kids first car shouldn't be a powerful new car.

[Speedaddicted]

Originally Posted by 56 Fighter

It's about the individual, not the car? So the kid in a new BMW isn't any higher risk than a kid in a beat up 1988 pontiac?

Sorry guy, I know you love your super fast speedracer, but the fact is a car that goes faster and has greater horse-power is also a lot tougher for a new driver to drive than a beat up piece of junk that takes 20 seconds to hit 50mph. This is common sense and is the reason the other poster stated a kids first car shouldn't be a powerful new car.

Again its your opinion. I've seen a ton of under 100 hp civics wrapped around tree's....why? Because the kids think they can out drive the limits of the car. If it was a 300 HP Mustang or Crapmaro the results would be the same. Any car with a driver in it that cant drive is dangerous, regardless of power. The issue is not the car, but the driver. Its like having a gun, the gun doesnt kill anyone if handled correctly, its the person in control of it.

[56 Fighter]

Originally Posted by Speedaddicted

Again its your opinion. I've seen a ton of under 100 hp civics wrapped around tree's....why? Because the kids think they can out drive the limits of the car. If it was a 300 HP Mustang or Crapmaro the results would be the same. Any car with a driver in it that cant drive is dangerous, regardless of power. The issue is not the car, but the driver. Its like having a gun, the gun doesnt kill anyone if handled correctly, its the person in control of it.

I will agree that a stupid kid will act stupid whether in a 300hp mustang or a beat up pinto. What you refuse to acknowledge is that the 300hp mustang is a significantly greater risk because of its speed and power. A bad driver in a pinto that can't accelerate is not nearly as dangerous as a bad driver in a car that can go from 0-60 in 5 seconds or whatever.

Your example with the gun helps prove my point. A kid with a machine gun will do a lot more damage than a kid with a bee-bee gun. Yes, the kid with the bee-bee gun can hurt (maybe even kill) someone. However he's much less likely to do damage with the less powerful weapon.

[Speedaddicted]

While I agree that a high hp car can get you killed faster, I dont think that at the rate of which you kill yourself or someone else is of importance, once you kill someone or yourself the speed at which you got there is irrelivent.

That said, a faster car CAN be more dangerous in the wrong hands, thats a given, the point I'm trying to convey is that ANY 2500 LBS projectile at 60 miles per hour can kill with an idiot behind the wheel.

[56 Fighter]

Originally Posted by Speedaddicted

While I agree that a high hp car can get you killed faster, I dont think that at the rate of which you kill yourself or someone else is of importance, once you kill someone or yourself the speed at which you got there is irrelivent.

No one is talking about what you can get killed faster. The point is the faster/ more powerful cars are more dangerous. It's a lot easier to lose control going fast. A car that goes really fast makes the risk of losing control greater, hence more dangerous. This isn't rocket science guy, as much as you want to defend "speed".

Originally Posted by Speedaddicted

That said, a faster car CAN be more dangerous in the wrong hands, thats a given, the point I'm trying to convey is that ANY 2500 LBS projectile at 60 miles per hour can kill with an idiot behind the wheel.

A faster car is more dangerous than a car that puts along. Your point is an obvious one, you just fail to realize a powerful new BMW is more dangerous than an old putter in the hands of an inexperiened driver. That's the whole point - but you argue that parents should get kids what they can afford because the car doesn't matter, the driver does. That's a scary way to think.

[Speedaddicted]

As a teen driver I was very aware of what my car could do. My parents made me get a drivers course. I also got to go to some SCCA events and drive cars that were much faster than what I owned. I learned to respect the speed and capabilities of each car. My first car being the Jetta at 17, but by 19 I was in a 300+ HP Mustang. I handled that just fine. Your wanting to catergoreize every young driver as incapble is a sad way to think. I guess thats what all the old folks do. In my opinion old folks on the road driving to slow are just as dangerous.

Maybe we should ban fast cars all together? Since in your opinion they should only be in the hands of a select few? While we are at it lets ban fast boats, and motorcycles too?

The point is we need to put the blame where it lies on the INDIVIDUAL. If your an idiot your gonna get killed in a vette, pinto or moped.

[56 Fighter]

Originally Posted by Speedaddicted

As a teen driver I was very aware of what my car could do. My parents made me get a drivers course. I also got to go to some SCCA events and drive cars that were much faster than what I owned. I learned to respect the speed and capabilities of each car. My first car being the Jetta at 17, but by 19 I was in a 300+ HP Mustang. I handled that just fine. Your wanting to catergoreize every young driver as incapble is a sad way to think. I guess thats what all the old folks do. In my opinion old folks on the road driving to slow are just as dangerous.

Maybe we should ban fast cars all together? Since in your opinion they should only be in the hands of a select few? While we are at it lets ban fast boats, and motorcycles too?

The point is we need to put the blame where it lies on the INDIVIDUAL. If your an idiot your gonna get killed in a vette, pinto or moped.

Not every teen driver is an idiot, but every teen driver is inexperienced. To put an inexperienced driver in a very powerful car is a recipe for disaster. A simple and honest mistake in a powerful car could prove deadly, while the same mistake in a less powerful, less fast car could be a simple mistake without any ramifications.

I am not saying ban anything and I agree there should be some personal responsibility, but putting an inexperienced driver into a fast and powerful car is irresponsible. The car does matter.

[Speedaddicted]

How about putting an 80 year old in a Viper? They are VERY experienced.

[56 Fighter]

Originally Posted by Speedaddicted

How about putting an 80 year old in a Viper? They are VERY experienced.

But the car doesn't matter, right?

The post above talked about kids first cars, not adults last cars But yes, I'd agree the 80 year old can't handle that car (even if he can afford it). The car is the issue - it's too powerful for him.