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Old 07-10-2009, 07:05 AM
 
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Hello all,

I recently got married and moved to Long Island because my husband lives here. Trying to slowly get adjusted to the island but I know this will take time. I know I need to stop mulling over how great I had it in Toronto and appreciate the good things here ….but for now I wanted to ask people on the forum if they had any advice for Teachers on the hunt.

I know the first step to finding a teaching job is actually getting certified here. I already wrote the Secondary ATS-W test and will be writing the other tests soon. Prior to moving to New York, I just skimmed over some forums and only come across negative comments in terms of securing a teaching job, in Long Island. People have mentioned that getting a job in Long Island is like winning the lottery or in some cases it may even be better to switch careers. I hope this is not true…..

I was lucky enough to get a permanent teaching job in Toronto and just finished my second year there. And now I have to jump back in the pool and look for a teaching job in LI. I want to remain confident because when I graduated in Toronto they had informed us that less than 10% of the graduating class would have a full-time job in Fall and hey I was part of that 10%.

I hope I get some honest comments regarding the teacher job market in LI. I know times are tough in general when it comes to the job market….But is it really that bad for teachers in LI?
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Old 07-10-2009, 07:35 AM
 
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Somewhat depends on what you teach, what level and if HS what subject??

The economy is a bit of a problem. Some schools have actually had cuts, some have had retirements and not hired new teachers. It certainly is not ideal, but there are jobs to be had.

Here is the easiest source to find jobs.
OLAS JOBS

And nassau schools that do not post on here post on their own websites. You can find out these schools by looking here
In School Districts (http://www.nassauboces.org/hr/employment_opportunities/school_districts/ - broken link)

Olas has both nassau and suffolk schools, not sure about schools in suffolk that do not post on olas, you could paruse school websites.

The NY times is also a good source, its how I found my job. Your only advantage is that it is summer and schools that might be posting will be more desperate now and you have an easier time getting a job as most experienced applicants have already gone through the looking/interviewing phases, but since unemployment is high there might just be a lot more people looking anyhow now. The fact that you don't actually have a initial NY certification right now is probably a big problem. Schools interviewing will most likely have mostly certified applicant applying and that alone might weed you out. However, you can look at private schools as they are often more willing to take a non certified teacher. I originally taught at a private school with zero experience, no certification, no teaching classes, nothing ... it was trial by fire for sure, quite an interesting experience but learned a lot.

Here is a ranking of LI schools posted here once before. These are high schools but the high schools will represent the district as a whole. For the most part, salaries are not all that variable between schools though nassau as a whole will pay more. The list below is subjective, but the higher up on the list probably the 'easier' your teaching experience might be (less discipline issues, more motivation, etc .... not necessarily the case but probably true). Since the economy is not so good, some districts are taking zero credit for teaching experience and simply saying, if you get a job here you will start on step 1 even if you have 20 yrs experience.

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School (District)........................................ ............Standard Ranking (County/Percent Free Lunch)
Wheatley School (East Williston)........................................ .245.0 (N/3%)
Cold Spring Harbor HS (CHS Central)....................................238.0 (S/<1%)
Great Neck South (Great Neck)...........................................23 6.6 (N/3%)
Plainview-Old Bethpage (Plainview-Old Bethpage)..................232.7 (N/2%)
Roslyn High School (Roslyn).......................................... .....232.1 (N/12%)
Garden City HS (Garden City)............................................. 231.7 (N/0%)
Syosset High School (Syosset)......................................... ..230.7 (N/1%)
Manhasset High School (Manhasset)....................................227 .6 (N/3%)
Jericho HS (Jericho)......................................... .................225.0 (N/<1%)
Paul D. Schreiber (Port Washington).....................................22 3.4 (N/5%)
Herricks High School (Herricks)........................................ ....212.4 (N/1%)
JFK (Bellmore-Merrick).......................................... .............212.0 (N/<1%)
Wantagh High School (Wantagh)......................................... 211.7 (N/<1%)
Locust Valley HS (Locust Valley).........................................21 0.5 (N/4%)
Hauppauge High School (Hauppauge)...................................208. 1 (S/5%)
Harborfields High School (Harborfields Central).......................205.7 (S/3%)
Carle Place Senior High School (Carle Place)..........................200.4 (N/4%)
Half Hollow Hills HS West (Half Hollow Hills)............................197.9 (S/7%)
Half Hollow Hills HS East (Half Hollow Hills).............................197.8 (S/6%)
Ward Melville (Three Village).......................................... .....197.7 (S/2%)
Calhoun (Bellmore-Merrick).......................................... .......197.3 (N/1%)
Great Neck North (Great Neck)...........................................19 6.1 (N/7%)
Smithtown High School East (Smithtown).............................195.2 (S/0%)
Mount Sinai High School (Mount Sinai).................................194.8 (S/1%)
Gen. Douglas MacArthur HS (LEVITTOWN)............................194.3 (N/4%)
Earl L. Vandermeulen HS (Port Jefferson)..............................193.5 (S/3%)
North Shore HS (North Shore)............................................ 192.6 (N/6%)
George W. Hewlett (Hewlett-Woodmere)..............................191.7 (N/1%)
Babylon Senior High School (Babylon)...................................190.0 (S/6%)
Massapequa High School (Massapequa)................................186.8 (N/<1%)
Elwood/John Glenn HS (Elwood).......................................... .186.4 (S/12%)
Lynbrook Senior HS (Lynbrook)........................................ ....186.3 (N/<1%)
New Hyde Park Memorial (NHP)............................................1 86.0 (N/4%)
Bayport-Blue Point HS (Bayport-Blue Point)............................185.8 (S/4%)
Oyster Bay HS (Oyster Bay-East Norwich).............................183.4 (N/9%)
Mattituck SHS (Mattituck-Cutchogue)..................................178.9 (S/4%)
Hicksville High School (Hicksville)...................................... ...178.1 (N/9%)
Northport SHS (Northport-East Northport).............................177.5 (S/5%)
Westhampton Beach SHS (Westhampton Beach).....................177.3 (S/3%)
South Side High School (Rockville Centre).............................175.4 (N/11%)
Smithtown HS West (Smithtown)....................................... ..173.3 (S/4%)
Walt Whitman HS (South Huntington)...................................171. 6 (S/23%)
Floral Park Memorial (Floral Park)..........................................170 .8 (N/10%)
Islip High School (Islip)........................................... ............169.8 (S/19%)
Lindenhurst High School (Lindenhurst)..................................168 .8 (S/7%)
Mepham (Bellmore-Merrick).......................................... .......168.6 (N/2%)
West Islip Senior High School (West Islip)..............................167.9 (S/3%)
Sayville High School (Sayville)........................................ .....166.6 (S/3%)
Bethpage Senior High School (Bethpage)...............................165.7 (N/6%)
Connetquot High School (Connetquot)...................................164 .3 (S/9%)
Valley Stream North (VS North)............................................ 163.9 (N/3%)
Island Trees HS (Island Trees)............................................ .162.6 (N/6%)
Bridgehampton School (Bridgehampton).................................16 2.1 (S/31%)
Valley Stream South HS (VS South)......................................161.3 (N/4%)
Kings Park High School (Kings Park)......................................159.3 (S/3%)
Commack High School (Commack)........................................1 59.0 (S/2%)
Eastport-South Manor (Eastport-South Manor).......................158.6 (S/??)
Southold High School (Southold)........................................ ..157.9 (S/7%)
Pierson (Sag Harbor)........................................... ..............157.2 (S/3%)
Mineola High School (Mineola)......................................... ....157.1 (N/10%)
East Islip High School (East Islip).........................................157 .0 (S/5%)
Oceanside Senior High School............................................ .156.7 (N/3%)
Division Avenue HS (Levittown)....................................... ....151.5 (N/5%)
Glen Cove HS (Glen Cove)............................................. .....151.4 (N/16%)
Baldwin SHS (Baldwin)......................................... ..............150.1 (N/0% ??)
Miller Place High School (Miller Place)...................................149.9 (S/2%)
Valley Stream Central (VS Central)......................................149. 2 (N/3%)
Seaford High School (Seaford)......................................... ...147.7 (N/1%)
Plainedge Senior High School (Plainedge)..............................145.0 (N/6%)
H. Frank Carey HS (Sewanhaka)....................................... ..141.7 (N/13%)
Elmont Memorial (Elmont).......................................... ........141.1 (N/23%)
W. Tresper Clarke High School (East Meadow).......................138.3 (N/9%)
Shoreham-Wading River (Shoreham-Wading River)..................137.8 (S/2%)
Long Beach High School (Long Beach)..................................136.7 (N/14%)
Sewanhaka HS (Sewanhaka)....................................... .......136.3 (N/29%)
Newfield High School (Middle Country)..................................135.7 (S/13%)
Huntington High School (Huntington)....................................13 4.7 (S)
Village School (Great Neck)............................................. ...132.6 (N/0%)
Sachem High School West (Sachem)....................................131.5 (S/8%)
Shelter Island HS (Shelter Island)........................................131 .2 (S/??)
Malverne High School (Malverne)........................................ .130.1 (N/22%)
Sachem High School East (Sachem).....................................129.3 (S/??)
West Hempstead HS (West Hempstead)...............................129.2 (N/9%)
Patchogue-Medford HS (Patchogue-Medford)........................127.9 (S/12%)
Farmingdale High School (Farmingdale).................................127. 7 (N/12%)
East Hampton High School (East Hampton)...........................125.7 (S/6%)
West Babylon SHS (West Babylon)......................................125. 5 (S/13%)
Lawrence High School (Lawrence).......................................1 24.8 (N/17%)
Rocky Point High School (Rocky Point).................................123.2 (S/10%)
Comsewogue (Brookhaven-Comsewogue).............................120.7 (S/9%)
Southampton High School (Southampton)............................120.4 (S/9%)
Longwood High School (Longwood).....................................115 .7 (S/17%)
Center Moriches High School (Center Moriches).....................115.0 (S/11%)
East Meadow High School (East Meadow).............................114.0 (N/8%)
Bay Shore SHS (Bay Shore)............................................ ...111.9 (S/35%)
East Rockaway SHS (East Rockaway)..................................111.8 (N/11%)
Hampton Bays Secondary (Hampton Bays)............................111.6 (S/16%)
North Babylon HS (North Babylon).......................................111 .4 (S/6%)
William Floyd High School (William Floyd)...............................104.8 (S/28%)
Riverhead High School (Riverhead)....................................... .99.6 (S/27%)
Centereach High School (Middle Country)...............................99.3 (S/12%)
Deer Park High School (Deer Park).........................................95.8 (S/13%)
Bellport High School (South Country).....................................90.6 (S/19%)
Walter G. O'Connell (Copiague)........................................ .....90.3 (S/28%)
Brentwood High School (Brentwood)......................................8 4.8 (S/54%)
Amityville Memorial (Amityville)...................................... .......78.0 (S/35%)
Central Islip HS (Central Islip)............................................ ..57.2 (S/27%)
Freeport High School (Freeport)........................................ ...53.3 (N/26%)
Hempstead High School (Hempstead)....................................37. 9 (N/42%)
Roosevelt (Roosevelt)....................................... .................34.1 (N/100%)
Westbury High School (Westbury)........................................ 32.9 (N/64%)
Wyandanch Memorial (Wyandanch)....................................... 13.8 (S/26%)


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As for getting a job here, like I said before it depends on what you teach. Elementary is tough to get since there is a lot of supply for it. The best is HS science, math and language. HS history and english also has a large supply unless you are a specialist like economics or something like that.

There is some nepotism/networking hiring bias, but it is not nearly as bad as people make it seem (at least in HS). In my school, I know very few teachers that had 'ins' to get jobs. Most of them came from other LI schools or the city and were simply the best applicant for the job which is what many of the schools are looking for. When I started, a guy from canada got a job at the school also. He did say he had to pay some laywer like $1000 to expedite something (a work visa, or something like that) which would have taken way longer. He said in canada college is 5 years and is like having a masters but the school didn't take that at salary credit. He dragged his feet and never got or even started his masters degree (it is required in NYS within 5 or so yrs of getting initial certificate) so after 3 yrs they finally said, it doesn't look like you are interested in getting tenure and your certificate will be expiring soon so you are gone.
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Old 07-10-2009, 07:58 AM
 
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djdairyp - Thanks! That was really helpful. And I am glad it wasn't as bad as a lot of people make it sound like.

Yes I heard a masters is required, luckily I enrolled in a Masters programme as soon as I graduated. I will be done this year. Yes our College is five years and it should get recognized as Masters here, but as you know I am still trying to get the Initial Certification. I will have to wait and see how they evaluate my credentials.

Yes it does suck that I am not certified as yet so any job prospects I see, I cannot apply for them. I am HS but I am qualified to teach Social Sciences so History and Geography. Those were the courses I was teaching in Canada.

I will try and see if the Social Sciences will get me a job. Meanwhile, I do like your suggestion of starting at a private school to keep myself occupied. I am however not interested to work in the City or anywhere outside of LI, simply because I think the commute will kill me and my passion to teach.

Alternatively I was thinking to get qualified to teach also at the elementary level just so I have more chances of securing a job. I live in Nassau in the East Meadow district. I don't think they are currently advertising any jobs,

Anyhow, thanks for all your advice. And glad to hear that you did end up securing a job. Will keep you posted when I finally start applying
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Somewhat depends on what you teach, what level and if HS what subject??

The economy is a bit of a problem. Some schools have actually had cuts, some have had retirements and not hired new teachers. It certainly is not ideal, but there are jobs to be had.

Here is the easiest source to find jobs.
OLAS JOBS

And nassau schools that do not post on here post on their own websites. You can find out these schools by looking here
In School Districts (http://www.nassauboces.org/hr/employment_opportunities/school_districts/ - broken link)

Olas has both nassau and suffolk schools, not sure about schools in suffolk that do not post on olas, you could paruse school websites.

The NY times is also a good source, its how I found my job. Your only advantage is that it is summer and schools that might be posting will be more desperate now and you have an easier time getting a job as most experienced applicants have already gone through the looking/interviewing phases, but since unemployment is high there might just be a lot more people looking anyhow now. The fact that you don't actually have a initial NY certification right now is probably a big problem. Schools interviewing will most likely have mostly certified applicant applying and that alone might weed you out. However, you can look at private schools as they are often more willing to take a non certified teacher. I originally taught at a private school with zero experience, no certification, no teaching classes, nothing ... it was trial by fire for sure, quite an interesting experience but learned a lot.

Here is a ranking of LI schools posted here once before. These are high schools but the high schools will represent the district as a whole. For the most part, salaries are not all that variable between schools though nassau as a whole will pay more. The list below is subjective, but the higher up on the list probably the 'easier' your teaching experience might be (less discipline issues, more motivation, etc .... not necessarily the case but probably true). Since the economy is not so good, some districts are taking zero credit for teaching experience and simply saying, if you get a job here you will start on step 1 even if you have 20 yrs experience.

=================================================
School (District)........................................ ............Standard Ranking (County/Percent Free Lunch)
Wheatley School (East Williston)........................................ .245.0 (N/3%)
Cold Spring Harbor HS (CHS Central)....................................238.0 (S/<1%)
Great Neck South (Great Neck)...........................................23 6.6 (N/3%)
Plainview-Old Bethpage (Plainview-Old Bethpage)..................232.7 (N/2%)
Roslyn High School (Roslyn).......................................... .....232.1 (N/12%)
Garden City HS (Garden City)............................................. 231.7 (N/0%)
Syosset High School (Syosset)......................................... ..230.7 (N/1%)
Manhasset High School (Manhasset)....................................227 .6 (N/3%)
Jericho HS (Jericho)......................................... .................225.0 (N/<1%)
Paul D. Schreiber (Port Washington).....................................22 3.4 (N/5%)
Herricks High School (Herricks)........................................ ....212.4 (N/1%)
JFK (Bellmore-Merrick).......................................... .............212.0 (N/<1%)
Wantagh High School (Wantagh)......................................... 211.7 (N/<1%)
Locust Valley HS (Locust Valley).........................................21 0.5 (N/4%)
Hauppauge High School (Hauppauge)...................................208. 1 (S/5%)
Harborfields High School (Harborfields Central).......................205.7 (S/3%)
Carle Place Senior High School (Carle Place)..........................200.4 (N/4%)
Half Hollow Hills HS West (Half Hollow Hills)............................197.9 (S/7%)
Half Hollow Hills HS East (Half Hollow Hills).............................197.8 (S/6%)
Ward Melville (Three Village).......................................... .....197.7 (S/2%)
Calhoun (Bellmore-Merrick).......................................... .......197.3 (N/1%)
Great Neck North (Great Neck)...........................................19 6.1 (N/7%)
Smithtown High School East (Smithtown).............................195.2 (S/0%)
Mount Sinai High School (Mount Sinai).................................194.8 (S/1%)
Gen. Douglas MacArthur HS (LEVITTOWN)............................194.3 (N/4%)
Earl L. Vandermeulen HS (Port Jefferson)..............................193.5 (S/3%)
North Shore HS (North Shore)............................................ 192.6 (N/6%)
George W. Hewlett (Hewlett-Woodmere)..............................191.7 (N/1%)
Babylon Senior High School (Babylon)...................................190.0 (S/6%)
Massapequa High School (Massapequa)................................186.8 (N/<1%)
Elwood/John Glenn HS (Elwood).......................................... .186.4 (S/12%)
Lynbrook Senior HS (Lynbrook)........................................ ....186.3 (N/<1%)
New Hyde Park Memorial (NHP)............................................1 86.0 (N/4%)
Bayport-Blue Point HS (Bayport-Blue Point)............................185.8 (S/4%)
Oyster Bay HS (Oyster Bay-East Norwich).............................183.4 (N/9%)
Mattituck SHS (Mattituck-Cutchogue)..................................178.9 (S/4%)
Hicksville High School (Hicksville)...................................... ...178.1 (N/9%)
Northport SHS (Northport-East Northport).............................177.5 (S/5%)
Westhampton Beach SHS (Westhampton Beach).....................177.3 (S/3%)
South Side High School (Rockville Centre).............................175.4 (N/11%)
Smithtown HS West (Smithtown)....................................... ..173.3 (S/4%)
Walt Whitman HS (South Huntington)...................................171. 6 (S/23%)
Floral Park Memorial (Floral Park)..........................................170 .8 (N/10%)
Islip High School (Islip)........................................... ............169.8 (S/19%)
Lindenhurst High School (Lindenhurst)..................................168 .8 (S/7%)
Mepham (Bellmore-Merrick).......................................... .......168.6 (N/2%)
West Islip Senior High School (West Islip)..............................167.9 (S/3%)
Sayville High School (Sayville)........................................ .....166.6 (S/3%)
Bethpage Senior High School (Bethpage)...............................165.7 (N/6%)
Connetquot High School (Connetquot)...................................164 .3 (S/9%)
Valley Stream North (VS North)............................................ 163.9 (N/3%)
Island Trees HS (Island Trees)............................................ .162.6 (N/6%)
Bridgehampton School (Bridgehampton).................................16 2.1 (S/31%)
Valley Stream South HS (VS South)......................................161.3 (N/4%)
Kings Park High School (Kings Park)......................................159.3 (S/3%)
Commack High School (Commack)........................................1 59.0 (S/2%)
Eastport-South Manor (Eastport-South Manor).......................158.6 (S/??)
Southold High School (Southold)........................................ ..157.9 (S/7%)
Pierson (Sag Harbor)........................................... ..............157.2 (S/3%)
Mineola High School (Mineola)......................................... ....157.1 (N/10%)
East Islip High School (East Islip).........................................157 .0 (S/5%)
Oceanside Senior High School............................................ .156.7 (N/3%)
Division Avenue HS (Levittown)....................................... ....151.5 (N/5%)
Glen Cove HS (Glen Cove)............................................. .....151.4 (N/16%)
Baldwin SHS (Baldwin)......................................... ..............150.1 (N/0% ??)
Miller Place High School (Miller Place)...................................149.9 (S/2%)
Valley Stream Central (VS Central)......................................149. 2 (N/3%)
Seaford High School (Seaford)......................................... ...147.7 (N/1%)
Plainedge Senior High School (Plainedge)..............................145.0 (N/6%)
H. Frank Carey HS (Sewanhaka)....................................... ..141.7 (N/13%)
Elmont Memorial (Elmont).......................................... ........141.1 (N/23%)
W. Tresper Clarke High School (East Meadow).......................138.3 (N/9%)
Shoreham-Wading River (Shoreham-Wading River)..................137.8 (S/2%)
Long Beach High School (Long Beach)..................................136.7 (N/14%)
Sewanhaka HS (Sewanhaka)....................................... .......136.3 (N/29%)
Newfield High School (Middle Country)..................................135.7 (S/13%)
Huntington High School (Huntington)....................................13 4.7 (S)
Village School (Great Neck)............................................. ...132.6 (N/0%)
Sachem High School West (Sachem)....................................131.5 (S/8%)
Shelter Island HS (Shelter Island)........................................131 .2 (S/??)
Malverne High School (Malverne)........................................ .130.1 (N/22%)
Sachem High School East (Sachem).....................................129.3 (S/??)
West Hempstead HS (West Hempstead)...............................129.2 (N/9%)
Patchogue-Medford HS (Patchogue-Medford)........................127.9 (S/12%)
Farmingdale High School (Farmingdale).................................127. 7 (N/12%)
East Hampton High School (East Hampton)...........................125.7 (S/6%)
West Babylon SHS (West Babylon)......................................125. 5 (S/13%)
Lawrence High School (Lawrence).......................................1 24.8 (N/17%)
Rocky Point High School (Rocky Point).................................123.2 (S/10%)
Comsewogue (Brookhaven-Comsewogue).............................120.7 (S/9%)
Southampton High School (Southampton)............................120.4 (S/9%)
Longwood High School (Longwood).....................................115 .7 (S/17%)
Center Moriches High School (Center Moriches).....................115.0 (S/11%)
East Meadow High School (East Meadow).............................114.0 (N/8%)
Bay Shore SHS (Bay Shore)............................................ ...111.9 (S/35%)
East Rockaway SHS (East Rockaway)..................................111.8 (N/11%)
Hampton Bays Secondary (Hampton Bays)............................111.6 (S/16%)
North Babylon HS (North Babylon).......................................111 .4 (S/6%)
William Floyd High School (William Floyd)...............................104.8 (S/28%)
Riverhead High School (Riverhead)....................................... .99.6 (S/27%)
Centereach High School (Middle Country)...............................99.3 (S/12%)
Deer Park High School (Deer Park).........................................95.8 (S/13%)
Bellport High School (South Country).....................................90.6 (S/19%)
Walter G. O'Connell (Copiague)........................................ .....90.3 (S/28%)
Brentwood High School (Brentwood)......................................8 4.8 (S/54%)
Amityville Memorial (Amityville)...................................... .......78.0 (S/35%)
Central Islip HS (Central Islip)............................................ ..57.2 (S/27%)
Freeport High School (Freeport)........................................ ...53.3 (N/26%)
Hempstead High School (Hempstead)....................................37. 9 (N/42%)
Roosevelt (Roosevelt)....................................... .................34.1 (N/100%)
Westbury High School (Westbury)........................................ 32.9 (N/64%)
Wyandanch Memorial (Wyandanch)....................................... 13.8 (S/26%)


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As for getting a job here, like I said before it depends on what you teach. Elementary is tough to get since there is a lot of supply for it. The best is HS science, math and language. HS history and english also has a large supply unless you are a specialist like economics or something like that.

There is some nepotism/networking hiring bias, but it is not nearly as bad as people make it seem (at least in HS). In my school, I know very few teachers that had 'ins' to get jobs. Most of them came from other LI schools or the city and were simply the best applicant for the job which is what many of the schools are looking for. When I started, a guy from canada got a job at the school also. He did say he had to pay some laywer like $1000 to expedite something (a work visa, or something like that) which would have taken way longer. He said in canada college is 5 years and is like having a masters but the school didn't take that at salary credit. He dragged his feet and never got or even started his masters degree (it is required in NYS within 5 or so yrs of getting initial certificate) so after 3 yrs they finally said, it doesn't look like you are interested in getting tenure and your certificate will be expiring soon so you are gone.
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:08 AM
 
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"Yes it does suck that I am not certified as yet so any job prospects I see, I cannot apply for them."

I wouldn't say cant. It never hurts to apply to anything and everything possible even if it says certification required. 'Working on certification' could possibly sometimes be sufficient, but to be fair you should make it clear that your certification is in progress and you don't have it so you don't waste both your time and their time. You never know. Another thing you might be able to get is leave replacements or part time positions (they might need 1-2 classes filled) which many NY experienced teachers will not consider. These are common, will probably pay sufficiently less, but are great ways to get your foot in the door. In our Soc dept the last 2-3 teacher hires were all former part timers or leave replacement people.

Good Luck
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:10 AM
 
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You may need to look in NYC. I teach in the Bronx. The thing is, the city department of ed is on a hiring freeze. BUT, you can still get jobs in new schools opening up throughout the city (there are maybe 50 or so that are opening), or a charter/private school in the city (although the salary is a lot less). What's your certification?
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:13 AM
 
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djdairyp- That is a great suggestion. I held back and did not apply to any jobs as yet because they all explicitly state NYS certification required. SO I figured no point in applying for now. But it doesn't hurt to apply, and maybe if some school is in need they might consider me....

Thanks I'll start applying to anything that fits.
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:24 AM
 
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You may need to look in NYC. I teach in the Bronx. The thing is, the city department of ed is on a hiring freeze. BUT, you can still get jobs in new schools opening up throughout the city (there are maybe 50 or so that are opening), or a charter/private school in the city (although the salary is a lot less). What's your certification?
Rachel - my certification is Social Studies.
I was thinking working in the city would be the last resort. I just don't think teachers should have to travel far distances for work that just physically drains you. Only because our job doesn't end when school ends. So to have to tavel back and forth and then come home and do more work would really not be the best option.

But I might still consider applying in the city if LI doesn't work out. Just for the experience.
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:36 AM
 
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Once you can teach in the city (especially an area like the south Bronx where I teach), you can teach anywhere. And also, your day can end when school ends if you want to. I never stay later. I get in like 45 minutes before the school day begins, and that's enough time for me. If your school ends at 3:00 (that's the general time for most city schools), you'll be okay making it home in time. The thing is, it's usually the worst areas in the city that you have to teach in first; like Harlem, the south Bronx, Bed-stuy/East NY in Brooklyn.
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:48 AM
 
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Rachael- sorry I am not very familiar with the areas as yet. But the places you mentioned now are these the dangerous schools people alert you of??
Now you said once you teach at these schools you can teach any where, you mean in terms of classroom management? Or other schools will be in favor of hiring you for having such experience??

It doesn't sound so bad the way you make it seem. I could still get home by 4:30ish. What time do most HS's start in NYC? I hear schools in LI start much earlier and also end early. In Toronto most schools started at 8:50 for students and teachers had to be in by 8:30 and school ended at 3:10pm. Is it similar?

And what about the pay?? Is it very low when compared to Nassau or other places??

Thanks for your advice.
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:05 AM
 
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Rachael- sorry I am not very familiar with the areas as yet. But the places you mentioned now are these the dangerous schools people alert you of??
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Yes. They are places you wouldn't want to live and where you wouldn't want to send your kids to school.
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