Desperately seeking diversity on Long Island... (Hempstead, Babylon: low income, income, live in)

[mr.mrs.b.i]

My vote would be Valley Stream. Especially if you live more towards Lynbrook (west wood area). There are some amazing houses around there, plus the West end of VS is very "black" (I don't mean this in a negative way at all!).

It's worth looking into, My family has lived on the west end of VS (near rosedale) for 26 years, and it's a lil run down now (not a lot at all) but if you're more towards lynbrook I think you'll get the best of both worlds.

[Pamela123]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

What you are saying in a roundabout way is that minorities commit more crimes, so minorities should be watched out for more than other whites.

I say that MEN commit a lot more crime, particularly VIOLENT crime. If we go by your theory, then all MEN should be assumed criminals unless they prove otherwise.

Are your eyes closed when it comes to race? Look at people in our jails. What is the "majority"? That is my answer right there.

All I'm saying is I want to live in a neighborhood free of crime, and low life's, where I can walk down the street and not be afraid and have to look behind me if I am out at night. That is my right!

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by Pamela123

Are your eyes closed when it comes to race? Look at people in our jails. What is the "majority"? That is my answer right there.

All I'm saying is I want to live in a neighborhood free of crime, and low life's, where I can walk down the street and not be afraid and have to look behind me if I am out at night. That is my right!

And what is the majority of prisoners made up of? Men or women? Men by a huge margin. Yet, we give men in general the benefit of the doubt instead of automatically assuming they are all violent criminals.

Why not give blacks the benefit of the doubt as INDIVIDUALS that they are not criminals out to ruin neighborhoods instead of assuming they all are guilty until proven innocent? I don't think I am asking too much.

PS: In flyover country or the "real America" there are scores of whites in jail and scores of white gang members, home invaders, etc. Just because the jails are mostly full of minorities around here does not mean it is so everywhere in the country. If you think that an all white neighborhood will be free of crime and low life's (sic), you may have another thing coming in many parts of the country.

[WIHS2006]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

And what is the majority of prisoners made up of? Men or women? Men by a huge margin. Yet, we give men in general the benefit of the doubt instead of automatically assuming they are all violent criminals.

Why not give blacks the benefit of the doubt as INDIVIDUALS that they are not criminals out to ruin neighborhoods instead of assuming they all are guilty until proven innocent? I don't think I am asking too much.

PS: In flyover country or the "real America" there are scores of whites in jail and scores of white gang members, home invaders, etc. Just because the jails are mostly full of minorities around here does not mean it is so everywhere in the country. If you think that an all white neighborhood will be free of crime and low life's (sic), you may have another thing coming in many parts of the country.

Actually, the FBI had admitted the Blacks and Hispanics commit the lions share of violent crime. I will try and find the actual report, they do not come out and say it outright but they definitely lean towards that conclusion.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

And what is the majority of prisoners made up of? Men or women? Men by a huge margin. Yet, we give men in general the benefit of the doubt instead of automatically assuming they are all violent criminals.

Why not give blacks the benefit of the doubt as INDIVIDUALS that they are not criminals out to ruin neighborhoods instead of assuming they all are guilty until proven innocent? I don't think I am asking too much.

PS: In flyover country or the "real America" there are scores of whites in jail and scores of white gang members, home invaders, etc. Just because the jails are mostly full of minorities around here does not mean it is so everywhere in the country. If you think that an all white neighborhood will be free of crime and low life's (sic), you may have another thing coming in many parts of the country.

Whenever I hear that I violent crime is committed, I almost always assume that it is a male, probably under the age of 50. Hey, I'm a male under the age of 50!!! I am prejudiced against myself. The facts are the facts. Men are more violent than woman. Deal with it.

[Smash255]

Originally Posted by Pamela123

Are your eyes closed when it comes to race? Look at people in our jails. What is the "majority"? That is my answer right there.

All I'm saying is I want to live in a neighborhood free of crime, and low life's, where I can walk down the street and not be afraid and have to look behind me if I am out at night. That is my right!

ehh according to the latest report from the Department of Justice whites make up a higher % of those in jail than any other group......

[dman72]

Originally Posted by Smash255

ehh according to the latest report from the Department of Justice whites make up a higher % of those in jail than any other group......

Since they are the majority of the population, wouldn't that make sense? The point is, relative to their proportion of the population.

I"m looking at stats from 2003, and white people are 69% of the population and 34% of the prison pop, wheras blacks are 12% of the overall pop and 43% of the prison population. Even if the percentage of whites shot up to 50% and blacks down to 20%, that would still indicate a higher percentage of blacks in prison than whites relative to population.

[spidaman]

Originally Posted by livetoteach

Let's keep it simple - I am black, he is white, we live in Hempstead. We love our home but the school district is a deal breaker. We make great money and are looking to relocate (within the next few years.) Any suggestions?

I would suggest North Merrick. The demographics there is slowly changing but that area is still majority white. You both should feel right at home.

[proudimmigrant]

Forget all this hoopla about race...we may not all be racist but we are certainly discriminatory in our own way dammit. if you truly believe that some of these LIers aren't, you are under a rock.....you could debate all you want...

What's with this "reverse racism", are you kidding me?...wha wha please!!!

Livetoteach, just move the next town over..pick one and go

next post please...wouldn't be surprise if it doesn't turn into to race!!!

[Smash255]

Originally Posted by dman72

Since they are the majority of the population, wouldn't that make sense? The point is, relative to their proportion of the population.

I"m looking at stats from 2003, and white people are 69% of the population and 34% of the prison pop, wheras blacks are 12% of the overall pop and 43% of the prison population. Even if the percentage of whites shot up to 50% and blacks down to 20%, that would still indicate a higher percentage of blacks in prison than whites relative to population.

True, however my point was directed at the post which suggested the majority of prisoners were black which was false. As of June 30th 2008 according to the DOJ 42.4% of Prisoners were white, 39.2% were black, 16.4% were Hispanic.

So yes while there are more whites in prison than blacks, a higher % of blacks are in prison than whites. Several factors for this. One of which is Reagan era drug laws, which resulted in basically the same drug having very different sentencing guidelines. This of course being the way cocaine and crack have been dealt with. You also have the socio-economic and poverty factor. Poverty and crime tend to go hand in hand (no matter what the race or ethnicity) blacks tend to have much higher poverty rates than whites. Socio-economic standing tend to be much greater indicators of crime than race or ethnicity.

Not only does being poorer and having more poverty lead to crime, but it also leads to more people being found guilty of crimes they didn't commit. Who do you think is more likely of being found guilty of a crime they didn't commit (or for that matter get off of a crime they did commit) someone with the ability to afford a high price lawyer or someone with a public defender?