Another NEWSDAY geographic goof, "Nassau cops: Robbery victim claimed he was NYPD officer" (New York: sale, home)

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by Buscape

Arent Hamlets just terms created by real estate developers to distinguish their area over another?

While real estate developers play fast and loose with names for their developments, they can not, even though they have tried, change or alter the name of a hamlet. For example, real estate developers tried their best to alter the name of the Hamlet of South Valley Stream to "North Woodmere", but, so far, the official maps still say "South Valley Stream" and not "North Woodmere".

Hamlets in New York State go back to before the founding of the United States.

Originally Posted by Buscape

Garden City South just makes people think they are living in Garden City opposed to West Hempstead.

The boundaries of the Hamlet of Garden City South are determined by the Nassau County Planning Commission, and like all the 70 hamlets in the 3 towns in Nassau County, there is no relation to any ZIP Code postal zone. For example, while parts of the "West Hempstead, NY 11552" ZIP Code postal zone serve part of the Hamlet of Garden City South, other parts of the "West Hempstead, NY 11552" ZIP Code postal zone also serve part of the Hamlet of Lakeview.

Originally Posted by Buscape

When you give a definition of it you say that its an unincorporated area in a town. If it is unicorperated that means it is un-official and has no real designation outside of Real Estate.

The 3 towns that govern the 70 hamlets on an at-large basis, in varying degrees, use the borders of hamlets when adopting town developmental plans, as does the Nassau County Planning Commission.

[WestburynLI to BronxnNYC]

Originally Posted by Walter Greenspan

You may be right; but, my suspicion is that most real estate agents are geographic illiterates and not very professional; otherwise they would, as part of their professional job, educate the people, who come to them when selling or buying a property, about the correct geography.

I've come to the conclusion that most real estate people are the least professional of all the professional people that I know.

Again the definition of Geography(geography): - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

• Main Entry: ge·og·ra·phy
• Pronunciation: \jē-ˈä-grə-fē\
• Function: noun
• Inflected Form(s): plural ge·og·ra·phies
• Etymology: Latin geographia, from Greek geōgraphia, from geōgraphein to describe the earth's surface, from geō- + graphein to write — more at carve
• Date: 15th century

1 : a science that deals with the description, distribution, and interaction of the diverse physical, biological, and cultural features of the earth's surface
2 : the geographic features of an area
3 : a treatise on geography
4 a : a delineation or systematic arrangement of constituent elements : configuration <the philosophers…have tried to construct geographies of human reason — Times Literary Supplement> b : makeup 1 <her emotional geography>


to·pog·ra·phy[ tə póggrəfee ]

noun
Definition: 1. mapping of surface features: the study and mapping of the features on the surface of land, including natural features such as mountains and rivers and constructed features such as highways and railroads

2. area's features: the features on the surface of an area of land

3. description of structure: a study or detailed description of the various features of an object or entity and the relationships between them


What dictionary could you have read that Geography = Topography?

[WestburynLI to BronxnNYC]

Originally Posted by Buscape

Arent Hamlets just terms created by real estate developers to distinguish their area over another? Garden City South just makes people think they are living in Garden City opposed to West Hempstead. When you give a definition of it you say that its an unincorporated area in a town. If it is unicorperated that means it is un-official and has no real designation outside of Real Estate.

Excellent point! A+

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by WestburynLI to BronxnNYC

What dictionary could you have read that Geography = Topography?

I'm discussing the political geography (city, village and hamlet vs ZIP Code postal zone) and you have concluded that I'm discussing the topography?

Where, if at all, have I mentioned any of the following?:

1. mapping of surface features: the study and mapping of the features on the surface of land, including natural features such as mountains and rivers and constructed features such as highways and railroads

2. area's features: the features on the surface of an area of land

3. description of structure: a study or detailed description of the various features of an object or entity and the relationships between them

[Buscape]

Do you honestly consider this message board professional. For people looking for proper real estate terms. Have you read half the post? The posts on this message boards are pretty much for racist who are afraid of what minorities might do to their neighborhood. Sure some people ask about areas that they might relocate to. However, it almost immediately it gets turned into a race issue.

[John9l0]

I'm sure the victim can sleep at night now, knowing that he was robbed in Garden City, rather than West Hempstead.

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by Buscape

Do you honestly consider this message board professional. For people looking for proper real estate terms. Have you read half the post? The posts on this message boards are pretty much for racist who are afraid of what minorities might do to their neighborhood. Sure some people ask about areas that they might relocate to. However, it almost immediately it gets turned into a race issue.

While some posts may be viewed to have racist view points, most don't; and, why not use the correct geographic terminology in order to help people when they are looking to purchase a property rather, than just allow incorrect information to pass unchallenged?
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[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by John9l0

I'm sure the victim can sleep at night now, knowing that he was robbed in Garden City, rather than West Hempstead.

Garden City South and Garden City are two separate communities: Garden City South is a hamlet and is governed on an at-large basis by the Town of Hempstead and Garden City is a self-governing village in the Town of Hempstead.

[WJFM]

That makes sense Walter. I notice that the hamlet of Syosset and Hamlet of Jericho do correspond with school district boundaries.

I think what Walter is saying is that Hamlets mean MORE to real estate than Postal Zip codes. There are multiple ways of splitting up boundaries.
1) Zip-codes
2) Hamlets ( as defined by US census and the county planning commisions)
3) School Districts
and there are other ways to split boundaries like Fire districts, park districts, etc.

Of these, from a real-estate point of view, it makes more sense to use Hamlets as a basis than zip codes. WHY.. because, in most cases, hamlet boundaries will correspond to the actual school district boundaries ( and in many cases, the park district, library district, fire district, etc also). Which HAMLET you live in will determine where your kids go to school, which fire department will repond to a fire in your home, and which library your kids will go to attend programs, and several other services like water, LIRR parking permits, police precinct etc. Which Zip-code you are in determines where you get your mail ( and that's it). Zip-code boundaries do NOT correspond to exact school district boundaries and other services. So, Hamlets mean more to real-estate than Zip-Codes, and mlsli.com should list homes by HAMLETS, not by zip-codes.

Unfortunately, this fact is lost on most people. Some are adamant and choose to stay ignorant even after repeated posts by Walter.. but I admire his efforts to educate everyone almost single-handedly in this forum. It is not that these people are ignorant of geography, but it is that they are not used to alter their way of thinking to categorize boundaries by a different criteria.

Originally Posted by Walter Greenspan

In Nassau and Suffolk County, it is the Nassau County Planning Commission and the Suffolk County Planning Department, respectively, working with the Census, that determine the current borders of hamlets.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, "According to Rufus Langhans, the past historian of the Town of Huntington, the borders of most of the hamlets followed the borders of the original common school districts."

[Buscape]

Theirs are part of Jericho, the East Birchwood Neighboorhood, which is part of Syosset Central School District The Syosset District is made up of more than just Syosset.
I am not sure why Hamlets are more importnat than zip codes. If I have a Westbury zipcode, but live in Salisbury or New Cassel. I would say I live in Westbury because people would be more familiar with that area. Is this ignorance or a sign of a lack of intellegence, I think not.

Originally Posted by WJFM

That makes sense Walter. I notice that the hamlet of Syosset and Hamlet of Jericho do correspond with school district boundaries.

I think what Walter is saying is that Hamlets mean MORE to real estate than Postal Zip codes. There are multiple ways of splitting up boundaries.
1) Zip-codes
2) Hamlets ( as defined by US census and the county planning commisions)
3) School Districts
and there are other ways to split boundaries like Fire districts, park districts, etc.

in most cases, hamlet boundaries will correspond to the actual school district boundaries ( and in many cases, the park district, library district, fire district, etc also). Which HAMLET you live in will determine where your kids go to school, which fire department will repond to a fire in your home, and which library your kids will go to attend programs,


and several other services like water, LIRR parking permits, police precinct etc. Which Zip-code you are in determines where you get your mail ( and that's it). Zip-code boundaries do NOT correspond to exact school district boundaries and other services. So, Hamlets mean more to real-estate than Zip-Codes, and mlsli.com should list homes by HAMLETS, not by zip-codes.

Unfortunately, this fact is lost on most people. Some are adamant and choose to stay ignorant even after repeated posts by Walter.. but I admire his efforts to educate everyone almost single-handedly in this forum. It is not that these people are ignorant of geography, but it is that they are not used to alter their way of thinking to categorize boundaries by a different criteria.

I think their are a lot of cases for border commmunities where they go to one school district, have one post office, and one fire department all in different hamlets.
LIRR parking permits are administrated by the Town or by the village government. Hamlets can not regulate parking. Water districts isnt determined by Hamlets. Syosset is in the Jericho Water district. They get determined by area and population. Zip codes mean much than Hamlets for real estate people. If you show a house with a Garden City zipcode but not in the village the agent can sell it as a Garden City house, which will fetch more on the open market due to ignorance.
I have no problem with Walter noting the differences between Hamlets and such. I am just voicing my opinion and creating a helthy debate. In my opinion Hamlets, towns, villages, and cities just create a bureucratic mess. Their should be about 15 cities in Nassau County with no overlapping juridictions.