Another NEWSDAY geographic goof, "Nassau cops: Robbery victim claimed he was NYPD officer" (New York: to buy, school district)

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by Buscape

Theirs are part of Jericho, the East Birchwood Neighboorhood, which is part of Syosset Central School District

The part of the East Birchwood development that you are referring to -- most of the streets in that part of East Birchwood begin with an 'F', and hence that part is known as the F-section -- is in the part of the Hamlet of Syosset that has a "Jericho, BY 11753" mailing address.

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by WJFM

I notice that the hamlet of Syosset and Hamlet of Jericho do correspond with school district boundaries.

The Hamlet of Jericho is identical to the part of the Jericho Union Free School District that is not in any of the 5 villages that are also part of this school district.

The Jericho Union Free School District (it used to be known as the Jericho-Wheatley Union Free School District, and I'm sort of guessing that this was because of the "union" of two common school districts: Jericho + Wheatley, way back when ... ) includes all of the Hamlet of Jericho and parts of the Village of Muttontown, the Village of Brookville, the Village of Upper Brookville, the Village of East Hills and the Village of Old Westbury in the Town of Oyster Bay and other parts of the Village of Old Westbury in the Town of North Hempstead.

[WJFM]

Buscape,
Since you bring up actual examples, I will tell you how refering to Hamlets here make more sense.

The part of East Birchwood that is in the hamlet of Syosset have more to it than the Syosset central school district, but also receives other services like Syosset Library, Syosset parks etc.

For example, recently, Jericho's park district ( whose boundaries coincide with the boundary of the Hamlet of Jericho), purchased land in Syosset for creating a turf-field for 5 million dollars. This is officially part of Jericho park district, financed by "residents of Jericho park district". The homes in East Birchwood that are in the hamlet of Syosset will not get first preference to use this field, and will not be paying extra taxes to cover this. But all homes in the hamlet of Jericho will be paying taxes for this, and will get first preference to use this field. If you are in East Birchwood and are in the hamlet of Syosset, you will have a Jericho mailing address, but your kids go to Syosset schools, play with Syosset kids, go to Syosset libraries etc, and you will be paying taxes for Syosset services, not Jericho services.

So, it makes more sense to say you are in the Hamlet of Syosset with Jericho-11753 mailing address. But most people say " I am in Jericho but in Syosset school district". I would not say it is false, but it makes more sense to give importance to Hamlets over zip-codes and say " I live in the hamlet of Syosset with Jericho-11753 mailing address".

It is unfortunate that real estate values are affected by the postal zip code.. since people are paying extra for the sole purpose of an address and where they receive their mail. I can understand people wanting a Garden City mailing address or a Jericho mailing address since they think it is more prestigious, but these mailing address will mean nothing for living there if they are not getting the equivalent services that make Jericho and Garden City more desirable places to live. In a large part, these are driven by ignorance of what services you are getting in a house and what a Hamlet means. It makes more sense to buy a house by what services you are getting rather than which post office you are getting your mail from.

Originally Posted by Buscape

Theirs are part of Jericho, the East Birchwood Neighboorhood, which is part of Syosset Central School District The Syosset District is made up of more than just Syosset.
I am not sure why Hamlets are more importnat than zip codes. If I have a Westbury zipcode, but live in Salisbury or New Cassel. I would say I live in Westbury because people would be more familiar with that area. Is this ignorance or a sign of a lack of intellegence, I think not.


I think their are a lot of cases for border commmunities where they go to one school district, have one post office, and one fire department all in different hamlets.
LIRR parking permits are administrated by the Town or by the village government. Hamlets can not regulate parking. Water districts isnt determined by Hamlets. Syosset is in the Jericho Water district. They get determined by area and population. Zip codes mean much than Hamlets for real estate people. If you show a house with a Garden City zipcode but not in the village the agent can sell it as a Garden City house, which will fetch more on the open market due to ignorance.
I have no problem with Walter noting the differences between Hamlets and such. I am just voicing my opinion and creating a helthy debate. In my opinion Hamlets, towns, villages, and cities just create a bureucratic mess. Their should be about 15 cities in Nassau County with no overlapping juridictions.

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by WJFM

For example, recently, Jericho's park district ( whose boundaries coincide with the boundary of the Hamlet of Jericho), purchased land in Syosset for creating a turf-field for 5 million dollars. This is officially part of Jericho park district, financed by "residents of Jericho park district". The homes in East Birchwood that are in the hamlet of Syosset will not get first preference to use this field, and will not be paying extra taxes to cover this. But all homes in the hamlet of Jericho will be paying taxes for this, and will get first preference to use this field.

Yet, at the same time, children who live in the part of Village of Muttontown and the Village of Brookville that participate in the Jericho Athletic Association because they are in the Jericho Union Free School District will be using this new field even though their parents will not be paying any of the extra property taxes to cover the purchase and maintenance of this new park. By law, villages are their own park district, but none of the villages that are part of the Jericho Union Free School District have either parks nor athletic fields.

Secondly, in the early 1970s, the Town of Oyster Bay on behalf of the residents of the Jericho Park District (i.e., the Hamlet of Jericho) purchased 25 acres directly to the west of the Jericho High School complex to develop into a community pool and park. The bonds that were sold to purchase this property and the "fictitious" operating costs charged annually for the upkeep of this undeveloped 25-acre property were the sole responsibility of residents of the Jericho Park District.

How come the new ball fields are not being built on this already owned 25 acre parcel rather than buy additional acreage that will add to the property taxes levied against property in the Jericho Park District? (Possibly, it's because the Village of Brookville does not want a park developed on its immediate southern border ?????)

[WJFM]

That is interesting to know Walter. It looks like the Village of Brookville has considerable influenze over Jericho Park district and town of Oyster bay even though they are not in the Hamlet of Jericho.

Another example in Westbury - there is a small portion of the Hamlet of Jericho that has a Westbury-11590 mailing address. This is called the West-Jericho neighborhood. But even though they have a Westbury mailing addresses, homes in this neighborhood are serviced by Jericho schools, and have 2 neighborhood parks that are for use only by Jericho park district ( by town ordinance), and pay their water bill to Jericho Water district, get their books from Jericho library, and are governed by the Town of Oyster bay ( as opposed to Town of North hempstead for the majority of places with Westbury mailing address). Homes here are also services by the 2nd precinct, while adjacent homes in the village of Westbury are serviced by the 3rd precinct. Huge difference even though they both have Westbury mailing address.

Originally Posted by Walter Greenspan

Yet, at the same time, children who live in the part of Village of Muttontown and the Village of Brookville that participate in the Jericho Athletic Association because they are in the Jericho Union Free School District will be using this new field even though their parents will not be paying any of the extra property taxes to cover the purchase and maintenance of this new park. By law, villages are their own park district, but none of the villages that are part of the Jericho Union Free School District have either parks nor athletic fields.

Secondly, in the early 1970s, the Town of Oyster Bay on behalf of the residents of the Jericho Park District (i.e., the Hamlet of Jericho) purchased 25 acres directly to the west of the Jericho High School complex to develop into a community pool and park. The bonds that were sold to purchase this property and the "fictitious" operating costs charged annually for the upkeep of this undeveloped 25-acre property were the sole responsibility of residents of the Jericho Park District.

How come the new ball fields are not being built on this already owned 25 acre parcel rather than buy additional acreage that will add to the property taxes levied against property in the Jericho Park District? (Possibly, it's because the Village of Brookville does not want a park developed on its immediate southern border ?????)

[Buscape]

Doesnt that sound just like a really big bureaucratic mess. The village telling a hamlet not to build something so close. The hamlet buying land in another hamlet for a park for hamlet residents. You say hamlet residents taxes wont be effective but perhaps the town or hamlet could have sold that land to another source which would have provided tax revenues or antoher service directly to them. Sure they made money in the initial sale but whats the long term situation?
As for libraries, I think you just have to register at your home library. Which goes by school district or zip code Iam not sure? And allows you access to any library in Nassau County and I think the City of New York. Wouldnt it just be easier if their were unified cities based on zipcodes. Lets say all of the Syosset, Woodbury, Jericho, Hicksville zipcodes created a city. Wouldnt they be able to provide the same services at a lower cost and with less bureaucratic mess?

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by WJFM

That is interesting to know Walter. It looks like the Village of Brookville has considerable influenze over Jericho Park district and town of Oyster bay even though they are not in the Hamlet of Jericho.

A great deal of the fault lies with the several Jericho civic associations, who were and are asleep at the switch. Currently, half the annual Jericho Park District property tax is attributable to the undeveloped 25-acres community pool and park.

Originally Posted by WJFM

... and pay their water bill to Jericho Water district ...

The Jericho Water District is HUGE (24,034 acres), its the largest water district in Nassau County and includes about 20 communities within its service area that extends from Jericho-Syosset-Woodbury on the south to the outskirts of the Hamlet of Oyster Bay and the City of Glen Cove on the north.

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by Buscape

As for libraries, I think you just have to register at your home library. Which goes by school district or zip code Iam not sure?

The 50+ library districts are independent of each other, and like school districts, except for municipal libraries, are independent of local gov't.

The majority of libraries in Nassau County are "school district library districts", meaning that they are coterminous with the school district whose name they share, and all library capital improvements are on the school district budget while library operating costs are on the separate library budget.

There are also association (private organizations that are given tax dollars collected from residents of the district the association is responsible for), municipal (city and village) and special district libraries in Nassau County.

Association libraries, such as found in Great Neck and Roslyn, are the most popular type of library in New York State.

There are a few isolated areas where property is in two over-lapping library districts (this occurs when a school district library is created after a special district library is already in existence and part of the special district library falls within the newer school district library, and pays property tax to both library districts.

[WestburynLI to BronxnNYC]

Originally Posted by Walter Greenspan

I'm discussing the political geography (city, village and hamlet vs ZIP Code postal zone) and you have concluded that I'm discussing the topography?

Where, if at all, have I mentioned any of the following?:

1. mapping of surface features: the study and mapping of the features on the surface of land, including natural features such as mountains and rivers and constructed features such as highways and railroads

2. area's features: the features on the surface of an area of land

3. description of structure: a study or detailed description of the various features of an object or entity and the relationships between them

Honestly, type political geography into google...actually let me do that for you...Let me google that for you

You are discussing topography(detailed description of an area, you are great at that), why you will not accept this fact is beyond me.

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by WestburynLI to BronxnNYC

Honestly, type political geography into google...actually let me do that for you...Let me google that for you

You are discussing topography(detailed description of an area, you are great at that), why you will not accept this fact is beyond me.

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Buscape, may be you could help WestburynLI to BronxnNYC understand the difference between geography and topography.
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