Getting POUNDED tonight (New York, Buffalo, Garden City: 2010, how much, college)

[rocafeller05]

So when did the pattern change? And why? I remember the planes always landing at JFK from the south, from the Atlantic.

[azzurrony]

I've only lived in GC for close to a year, but my neighbors believe the patterns have gotten worse over the last 5 yrs or so.

Historically, Floral Park was always abused by JFK. Then in the mid-70's a new flight path to the east was opened up and this included Stewart Manor and GC. However, the path over LI was only supposed to be used when all other runways were busy.

Now, given the increase in commercial traffic at JFK, there was no place for the planes to go at their busiest times. So, they flew over Nassau.

I can accept this. What I will not accept is that the same towns get pounded over and over while others escape. There is not equitable distribution. Unfortunately, the apathetic people of Floral Park and GC have not united the way other communities in NJ and Rockland County have. So, we continue to get abused in spite of my incessant letters to the FAA, Port Authority, and our esteemed Congresswoman Carolyn "I'm only in office because my husband was shot" McCarthy.

[Buscape]

The flight paths have changed because they are repairing a runaway at the airport. You guys are complaining about such a stupid thing. I like you live in Westbury, I have never been bothered by the nose... Sometimes I look up to see what airline or what destination it is coming from... Flight Paths and Patterns are determined by the FAA. For those that don't know the F stands for Federal, meaning it is a little bit above your local congressman... But sure, continue writing to them...

[azzurrony]

Buscape

Actually, the FAA as a federal entity has to answer to Congress. The House has had many hearings which dictate what the FAA can and can't do.

McCarthy could indeed put a lot of pressure on the FAA, but unfortunately, she just sticks her head in the sand.

[samyn on the green]

Nothing has changed, it has been the same approach to the 22 runways for over forty years. There were some changes to LGA that effect people in Queens but not JFK.

What did change was Jetblue. JFK had little domestic traffic anti-2000, now it has become a major domestic hub and traffic has surged.

Originally Posted by rocafeller05

So when did the pattern change? And why? I remember the planes always landing at JFK from the south, from the Atlantic.

[WJFM]

While some many snort at this issue as insignificant, I understand why this is a quality of life issue. We did not buy a house in the suburbs to 'close our windows' and sit in our homes. We all have yards and ourdoor areas we would like to enjoy with friends and family without planes drowning out every other sentence. When did living in NYC suburb equal to "no quiet time in your backyard".

It may not be as serious as the healthcare debate, but who said we should be worried about only one issue at a time?

Rather than 100s of people calling govt officials, the right way to do it is to organize the 100s under one umbrella and have one person represent the 100s so they can work to find solutions and give proper feedback. If you get organized and get a sympathetic ear in the federal govt, your cause might take off the ground.

Originally Posted by Johninwestbury

No way, why should I be forced out of my town by the FAA? The FAA can change patterns again and subject another area to this abuse at any time. No place is safe unless you're waaayyy out in Suffolk. If that's the case I'd rather be in Toms River or Beachwood NJ which is removed but has better transportation.
The bottom line is people need to get involved. If 100s of ppl call their officials every week something will get done. They have similar stuff in NJ, but have an organization to fight it. I still dont see that many low flying planes into Newark when I take the bus over there, they come in high and dont start lowering until 2-3 miles before the airport. Why cant JFK do this?

[I_Love_LI_but]

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He didn't move near the airport. When I think of places where people who complain about airport noise on LI like Westbury and Garden City, I don't think "they are right on top of the airport." I live right on top of JFK and I don't complain (too much) because I actually did move near the airport and knew it could be an issue.

[samyn on the green]

The repairs to RWY 13R/31L have begun. The approaches to RWY 22 will not change. The typical configuration for construction on runway 13R/31L will have arrivals on 13L/31R and departures on 22R.

What that means to people in Nassau is that you do not have to break out the Vaseline in anticipation of a pounding. However if winds are out of the south you could see 22R for departures and 22L for arrivals which would be considered a pounding.

The one thing that is key to understanding JFK traffic is that the airport functions in tandem with EWR and LGA. The airspace above us is partitioned into three areas to facilitate safety to all three airports. EWR has the area to the west of EWR and directly north and south. LGA has a narrow corridor from the hudson east the Queens/Nassau border that extends south to about Union tpke. There is a narrow corridor over Staten Island where arrivals from the south enter the area for LGA. JFK is left with the area east of JFK over Long Island that extends north only to the north shore and an area over the Atlantic. The area west and north of JFK are completely off limits to JFK traffic unless you are okay with LGA and JFK traffic colliding like this.

The only traffic that is ever directed over Long Island are runway 22 arrivals, with Long Beach/five towns also effected when runway 31R is used for arrivals. This is the way it has been since the early 1960's, nothing has changed.

Originally Posted by Buscape

The flight paths have changed because they are repairing a runaway at the airport. You guys are complaining about such a stupid thing. I like you live in Westbury, I have never been bothered by the nose... Sometimes I look up to see what airline or what destination it is coming from... Flight Paths and Patterns are determined by the FAA. For those that don't know the F stands for Federal, meaning it is a little bit above your local congressman... But sure, continue writing to them...

[samyn on the green]

2nd thread? Try the 9th thread on the same topic. It is okay the guy moved under the approach for runway 22 and wants the runway shutdown or only used sparingly. Persistence is good. However his blind ignorance to the facts repeatedly presented is frustrating. What I learned from this JFK runway 22 approach topic is that naivete is often released grudgingly.

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Originally Posted by scottzilla

http://www.city-data.com/forum/long-...d-tonight.html


2nd thread started by OP. Perhaps we should shut down Kennedy airport?

[rocafeller05]

So basically the patterns didnt change, but there is alot more volume on the routes that cross Westbury & GC.

That would suck!