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Old 09-24-2009, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY.
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Yes it does. Darwin.
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Old 09-24-2009, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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I can assure you that there is at least one teen member of your family or a teen neighbor that shoots up pills or heroin. When it rears its ugly head and reaches out and touches you personally we'll see if your tune changes.
It has touched me personally and that may be why my comments are so cold-hearted about it.

Usually if a person develops this type of addiction, they WILL NOT RECOVER, although they may go to detox and rehab several times throughout their lifetime, and they WILL LIVE A LIFE OF MISERY plus INFLICT MISERY on everyone around them, especially their immediate family. They will also die young. You may see plenty of senior citizen alcoholics, but do you see ANY senior citizen heroin addicts?

It is a fool's errand to use heroin, "hillbilly" in the form of legal opiates or actual street heroin. Anyone who mollycoddles addicts just gets USED and ABUSED. The only way to help them is to turn them out on the streets (exception: underage kids) and let them hit rock bottom. Then they will either die OR seek help and be SERIOUS about it.
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Old 09-24-2009, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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It's not about money.

If there was a cure for addiction, I would be behind it all the way and I would gladly see my tax dollars spent on it!
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Old 09-24-2009, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY.
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It's not about money.

If there was a cure for addiction, I would be behind it all the way and I would gladly see my tax dollars spent on it!
I wasn't talking about money. I was talking about lack of compassion for another human being and their families. I'm sure their death isn't a blessing to their mother & father. Some addicts have recovered and led productive lives. Look at Eric Clapton.
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Old 09-24-2009, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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I wasn't talking about money. I was talking about lack of compassion for another human being and their families.
A different kind of compassion. Sometimes death is kinder than leading a nightmare life.

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I'm sure their death isn't a blessing to their mother & father.
Talk to a few who suffered for years dealing with addicted children and see what they think about the addict's eventual death and whether it was for better or worse.

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Some addicts have recovered and led productive lives. Look at Eric Clapton.
Look up the statistics. He is, quite literally, one in a million.

I am not advocating "putting addicts to death" or anything like that. I wish each and every one of them recovery instead of living in the hell on earth that is addiction. However, of the ones that attempt recovery, most will fail and everyone knows that. That is why I am not totally sympathetic to those who become addicted to opiates. There is such a thing as personal responsibility, common sense, and avoiding self-destructive behavior.
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Old 09-24-2009, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Eastern Long Island
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How hard is it to just f'ing say no?
well jdawg, since a very high percentage of heroin(and other) addicts have psychological problems that are often undiagnosed its not so simple. Often they don't have the natural ability to make the right choices.
The other part of the problem is lack of education about the severity of this drug. Up until very recently heroin was barely mentioned in "don't do drugs" campaigns in LI schools. Kids don't understand the chemical component of this drug that sets it apart from the others. Yeah, I agree "just say no", I hope my kids can do it, I know I did. But I know other kids that thought "I'll just try it once since everyone else is doing it" and now they are a mess.
When you figure it out, why don't you clean this whole mess up for us since you find it so simplistic.
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Old 09-24-2009, 08:47 PM
 
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well jdawg, since a very high percentage of heroin(and other) addicts have psychological problems that are often undiagnosed its not so simple. Often they don't have the natural ability to make the right choices.
The other part of the problem is lack of education about the severity of this drug. Up until very recently heroin was barely mentioned in "don't do drugs" campaigns in LI schools. Kids don't understand the chemical component of this drug that sets it apart from the others. Yeah, I agree "just say no", I hope my kids can do it, I know I did. But I know other kids that thought "I'll just try it once since everyone else is doing it" and now they are a mess.
When you figure it out, why don't you clean this whole mess up for us since you find it so simplistic.
people shouldn't have to be told heroin is bad. Anyone with common sense would know that.
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Old 09-24-2009, 11:16 PM
 
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well jdawg, since a very high percentage of heroin(and other) addicts have psychological problems that are often undiagnosed its not so simple. Often they don't have the natural ability to make the right choices.
The other part of the problem is lack of education about the severity of this drug. Up until very recently heroin was barely mentioned in "don't do drugs" campaigns in LI schools. Kids don't understand the chemical component of this drug that sets it apart from the others. Yeah, I agree "just say no", I hope my kids can do it, I know I did. But I know other kids that thought "I'll just try it once since everyone else is doing it" and now they are a mess.
When you figure it out, why don't you clean this whole mess up for us since you find it so simplistic.
Every kid I have known knows heroin is bad, and by virtue of the fact that you have to inject it into your veins, it is not something that kids in general want to do. Also, Heroin users are NOT COOL in the eyes of kids today! Doing heroin is not considered normal, BUT doing pills "recreationally" is considered normal, and a good amount of kids have done pills. Being a "pill head" is not accepted either, but by the time people realize someone is a pill head junkie, it is too late. And like I have said before, these former pill heads move on to heroin due to its much cheaper cost, and higher potency.

Oxycontins, percocets etc go for $20+ a pill. "pill heads" do 10+ a day. Heroin then becomes cheaper, and in the desperation for opiate drugs, kids that would never touch that crap will shoot up. Heroin eduction is not necessary, it is already considered dirty and scummy by kids. What needs to be told is that doing pills recreationally will inevitably lead to opiate addiction. This is hard to convey though because doctors prescribe it all of the time to everyone, so it is viewed as "safe" because if it were as bad as heroin doctors would not be giving it out in their eyes.

So newsday etc are starting the heroin panic and people with their heads in the sand are going nuts now. The fact of the matter is that opiate addiction has been growing massively due to pills, and it will not stop until you stop that. Pills are a true gateway drug. A gateway to something just as bad as heroin that goes in your mouth instead. It is not just crazy people anymore, I know plenty of good people that have been ruined by pills -> heroin. That is why this is scary.
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Old 09-25-2009, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Stony Brook
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Every kid I have known knows heroin is bad, and by virtue of the fact that you have to inject it into your veins, it is not something that kids in general want to do.

Most of todays kids are not "shooting up". They are snorting it. And we are talking about kids here. When you are a kid, you have NO fear, and think it wont happen to you. The problem is it is so addictive, and they dont really believe this to be true, until its too late.
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Old 09-25-2009, 08:28 AM
 
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Most of todays kids are not "shooting up". They are snorting it. And we are talking about kids here. When you are a kid, you have NO fear, and think it wont happen to you. The problem is it is so addictive, and they dont really believe this to be true, until its too late.
This is not true, my brother got "caught" up in it a couple years ago. All of his friends were shooting it. Thank God for him he woke up cause he is 2 years clean next month at 23 years old. He turned into such a different person, lieing, stealing, a waste of life, but now we are so proud of him and what he has accomplished, because it's the hardest thing overcoming an addiction!
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