Get rid of the candy man (Mexico, Florida: section 8, 2010, crime)

[jen919ifer]

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Originally Posted by KellyFG

Every kid I have known knows heroin is bad, and by virtue of the fact that you have to inject it into your veins, it is not something that kids in general want to do. Also, Heroin users are NOT COOL in the eyes of kids today! Doing heroin is not considered normal, BUT doing pills "recreationally" is considered normal, and a good amount of kids have done pills. Being a "pill head" is not accepted either, but by the time people realize someone is a pill head junkie, it is too late. And like I have said before, these former pill heads move on to heroin due to its much cheaper cost, and higher potency.

Oxycontins, percocets etc go for $20+ a pill. "pill heads" do 10+ a day. Heroin then becomes cheaper, and in the desperation for opiate drugs, kids that would never touch that crap will shoot up. Heroin eduction is not necessary, it is already considered dirty and scummy by kids. What needs to be told is that doing pills recreationally will inevitably lead to opiate addiction. This is hard to convey though because doctors prescribe it all of the time to everyone, so it is viewed as "safe" because if it were as bad as heroin doctors would not be giving it out in their eyes.

So newsday etc are starting the heroin panic and people with their heads in the sand are going nuts now. The fact of the matter is that opiate addiction has been growing massively due to pills, and it will not stop until you stop that. Pills are a true gateway drug. A gateway to something just as bad as heroin that goes in your mouth instead. It is not just crazy people anymore, I know plenty of good people that have been ruined by pills -> heroin. That is why this is scary.

ITA thats how my brother started. The pain killers, then oxycontin cause it was stronger, then that was too expensive so heroin gave him the same high for less money. MAKE SURE ALL PRESCRIPTION DRUGS ARE LOCKED UP WHERE YOUR KIDS CAN'T GET THEM. So many of the peopl emy brother used to shoot up with are still doing it. We stood by him the whole way, and finally he realize dhis life was more important then a stupid drug!

[Jdawg8181]

[quote=jen919ifer;10913110]

Originally Posted by suzook

This is not true, my brother got "caught" up in it a couple years ago. All of his friends were shooting it. Thank God for him he woke up cause he is 2 years clean next month at 23 years old. He turned into such a different person, lieing, stealing, a waste of life, but now we are so proud of him and what he has accomplished, because it's the hardest thing overcoming an addiction!

My cousin went through the same type of ordeal. He is clean now and has a good job and is even taking a few classes!

[suzook]

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Originally Posted by jen919ifer

My cousin went through the same type of ordeal. He is clean now and has a good job and is even taking a few classes!

LOL, thats not my quote. I wonder how that happened.

[SuffolkGuy]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

Actually the laws and punishments are tougher in Florida and even if you are not personally a drug dealer, if one is living in your home with your or riding in your car with you, YOU can be charged as one too and sent off to jail.

I heard a story about someone's coworker in Florida. The coworker was a success story ... raised herself up from welfare mother to nurse's aide to an LPN (or FL equivalent) to RN (or FL equivalent). She got lonely and got a boyfriend. Boyfriend moves in. Boyfriend deals drugs out of her home. Police arrest boyfriend. Police show up at her workplace and take her away in handcuffs. She loses her job and goes to jail.

This is completely false, and if the story that followed is true, there is a lot more to it than you're aware of.

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by jen919ifer

ITA thats how my brother started. The pain killers, then oxycontin cause it was stronger, then that was too expensive so heroin gave him the same high for less money. MAKE SURE ALL PRESCRIPTION DRUGS ARE LOCKED UP WHERE YOUR KIDS CAN'T GET THEM. So many of the peopl emy brother used to shoot up with are still doing it. We stood by him the whole way, and finally he realize dhis life was more important then a stupid drug!

What needs to be done is the only thing Big Pharma and the AMA (physicians) understand:

SUE THE CRAP OUT OF THEM. PHARMA EXECS ONLY CARE ABOUT MONEY. IF IT IS PROFITABLE TO SELL ALL THESE PILLS, THEY LOVE THAT. IF PATIENTS ARE EASY TO PLACATE AND COLLECT AN OFFICE VISIT FEE ON FOR SPENDING A MINUTE WRITING A PRESCRIPTION, SOME DOCTORS LOVE THAT TOO.

Sue the pharmaceutical companies for making a DANGEROUS and addictive product. There are a few class action suits out there already.

Sue physicians who prescribe it like candy.

Once they get the message, "addictive opiate pills are BAD for business" see how quickly oxycontin, vicodin, etc., fade from public use and even fade from availability (much like most of the amphetamines and quaaludes did).

Perhaps Mexico, etc., will pick up the slack like they did with producing methamphetamine, perhaps not. Depends how easy it is to actually "cook" oxycontin and vicodin and how easy it is to get the raw materials. Hopefully it is not as easy as with methamphetamine.

At least threaten to sue them. Quite awhile ago, before much was publicized or thought of about getting addicted to pharmaceutical opiates, I had to tell a doctor a sibling (who started using them due to a bad car accident) was addicted and not to prescribe any more pills. Since I wasn't the person's "boss" or guardian, the doctor got snotty with me. I ripped into him like nobody's business and threatened that if one more prescription for opiates comes out of his office in my sibling's name, then I would make sure, totally make sure, if anything happened to my sibling because of being addicted to drugs, this doctor would be sued so thoroughly that he wouldn't be able to find a clean pair of underwear after it was all done. Then I asked him if he would like myself and my husband to drop in at his office and discuss it personally. Exact words. I scared him because he dropped my sibling as a patient and also dropped my sibling's "friend/dope buddy" who recommended this physician as an easy one to get drugs from. He also sent a "certified letter" stating he was dropping the patient and advising that the patient find a "pain management" specialist (didn't make a referral to one though) to cover his own butt naturally, not because he gave a rat's you-know-what about the patients. There are more bottom feeder doctors out there than you could imagine. Ask the addicts. They always know where to find them.

If you have a loved one who is addicted to pharmaceutical opiates and is getting them from a doctor, tell the doctor in no uncertain terms what is going on! If they give you any lip, do what I did. In the end, most wealthy people in general (which can include doctors and pharmaceutical executives) tend to care about having a lot of money the most in life, so if it becomes very unprofitable and risky to manufacture and prescribe opiates, maybe a trend will start on cutting back. Then perhaps the next stop on the highway to hell, heroin, will not happen for so many people who get hooked on pharmaceutical opiates.

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by SuffolkGuy

This is completely false, and if the story that followed is true, there is a lot more to it than you're aware of.

How do you know? What is your area of expertise to make a statement like that? (Or perhaps what trouble have you been in to be so sure?)

Florida is tougher on drugs. If several people are in a car and drugs are found in it, they all get arrested. The woman in question was harboring a drug dealer in her home and was equally culpable for the drugs sold out of her home, even though everybody knew she didn't actually do it herself, it was her boyfriend.

Got access to a legal database?

[SuffolkGuy]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

How do you know? What is your area of expertise to make a statement like that? (Or perhaps what trouble have you been in to be so sure?)

Florida is tougher on drugs. If several people are in a car and drugs are found in it, they all get arrested. The woman in question was harboring a drug dealer in her home and was equally culpable for the drugs sold out of her home, even though everybody knew she didn't actually do it herself, it was her boyfriend.

Got access to a legal database?

Because I am a narcotics officer from an agency in FL.

Once again, I have bolded the false statements.

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by SuffolkGuy

Because I am a narcotics officer from an agency in FL.

Once again, I have bolded the false statements.

Sure. Everybody's a police officer on here! Me, I am with the CIA! I am a spook who does wet work internationally for them.

Do you live in Suffolk, Florida?

And you even know which supermarket carries Tropicana Twister Diet Orange soda on Long Island.

This is a serious topic and a serious problem. This is not the thread for a newbie who wants to play around.

[Jdawg8181]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

How do you know? What is your area of expertise to make a statement like that? (Or perhaps what trouble have you been in to be so sure?)

Florida is tougher on drugs. If several people are in a car and drugs are found in it, they all get arrested. The woman in question was harboring a drug dealer in her home and was equally culpable for the drugs sold out of her home, even though everybody knew she didn't actually do it herself, it was her boyfriend.

Got access to a legal database?

I did read this...and it makes sense b/c Florida is so close to Mexico it could be a port of transport for drugs from Mexico. However, trying to find examples of the car situation you mentioned, sorry no luck on that.

[SuffolkGuy]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

Sure. Everybody's a police officer on here! Me, I am with the CIA! I am a spook who does wet work internationally for them.

Do you live in Suffolk, Florida?

And you even know which supermarket carries Tropicana Twister Diet Orange soda on Long Island.

This is a serious topic and a serious problem. This is not the thread for a newbie who wants to play around.

Sigh. I grew up in Suffolk. Here visiting mom, pop and the rest of the gang. I've read these forums, and the FL forums for months. Personally, whether or not you believe me, I don't really give a damn, but if you're going to spew incorrect information around, then I'm going to call you out on it. I'd advise you to do some research onlineand look up case law and the proper laws dealing with narcotics.