"Urban rejects" priced out of NYC are clearly absorbing Nassau (and now W. Suffolk), are our Wonder Years behind us? (Islip: 2009, apartments)

[hotkarl]

Originally Posted by S.I.B.

can you be more specific? what parts of nassau are similar to queens...and in what way?

Most of the south shore to the suffolk border. Most of central Nassau. Western North shore sans a few pockets of larger properties here and there. I've been doing some work in Queens lately(yes there are inground pools in Queens) and it almost feels like I'm in my own neck of the woods.
Howard Beach is a prime example. You could pick it up and plop it anywhere in Nassau and it would be Nassau.

Suffolk: East Islip reminds me of O'side/RVC/Baldwin 20 or so years ago.
It is what it is. Nothing is ever gonna change. The only area that may not ever totally be affected will be the extreme east end. They saw the writing on the wall years ago and took measures to protect their quality of life. The Queens/city knuckleheads go out there to supposedly escape their everyday life/hustle and bustle, yet they ***** and moan when they can't do certain alterations/renovations to their homes out there.
Renovations=bringing some of their city "charm" with them.

[S.I.B.]

Originally Posted by hotkarl

Most of the south shore to the suffolk border. Most of central Nassau. Western North shore sans a few pockets of larger properties here and there. I've been doing some work in Queens lately(yes there are inground pools in Queens) and it almost feels like I'm in my own neck of the woods.
Howard Beach is a prime example. You could pick it up and plop it anywhere in Nassau and it would be Nassau.

Suffolk: East Islip reminds me of O'side/RVC/Baldwin 20 or so years ago.
It is what it is. Nothing is ever gonna change. The only area that may not ever totally be affected will be the extreme east end. They saw the writing on the wall years ago and took measures to protect their quality of life. The Queens/city knuckleheads go out there to supposedly escape their everyday life/hustle and bustle, yet they ***** and moan when they can't do certain alterations/renovations to their homes out there.
Renovations=bringing some of their city "charm" with them.

I'll try again....in what way are these areas now like Queens?

Your Howard Beach example doesn't really work for me. I agree that HB is similar to certain areas of Nassau but HB is an outlier when it comes to Queens. Your statement says more about Howard Beach than it does about Nassau.

[AlexisT]

Parts of eastern Queens and western Nassau have always been very similar in terms of development and housing patterns. The difference for years was primarily demographic.

[hotkarl]

ugh...congestion. All kinds.
Over building. Over crowding. Massive traffic problems. Biggest house you can squeeze onto a 50x100 lot, strip malls and professional buildings up the ying yang.
Apartment buildings everywhere, multi-family homes (legal and not legal).

Howard Beach is IN Queens. Rosedale would be more of an outlier, yet looks more "Queens" than HB.

[MikeyKid]

Originally Posted by S.I.B.

I'll take a guess....as per usual, crooks is creating an "issue" out of thin air based on some random story he heard and is using it to bash Nassau.

There's a word for when people speak in absolutes without backing any of it up with actual data... it escapes me. Take that and sprinkle in "not so much" every other post and you have the pattern I've noticed with Crooks. It seems like perception and opinion is greater then actual data in many cases for him and once you can get past that, you'll see that he actually has some good insight.

FWIW - there certainly seems to be more emphasis on the migration East (Queens to Nassau, Nassau to Suffolk) in an effort to lower housing cost... In many ways I feel like this is the only thing keeping the housing market even remotely afloat right now. Almost everyone I talk to these days is about "downsizing" - and we all know when people talk about that they're basically telling you they can't afford to live where they are at the moment. Unfortunately, you run out of room and get into "vacation" areas when you travel too far East... Suffolk is really SOL in this scenario and I would think Suffolk would be more about moving to NC then "old school Nassau".

[S.I.B.]

Originally Posted by hotkarl

ugh...congestion. All kinds.
Over building. Over crowding. Massive traffic problems. Biggest house you can squeeze onto a 50x100 lot, strip malls and professional buildings up the ying yang.
Apartment buildings everywhere, multi-family homes (legal and not legal).

traffic has been rough in certain parts of Nassau AND Suffolk for years. How many new apartment buildings have been built over the last 10 years? Strip malls have been here forever. When exactly was southern/central Nassau an oasis of wide open space devoid of busy commercial strips? The 1950's?

Howard Beach is IN Queens. Rosedale would be more of an outlier, yet looks more "Queens" than HB.

when I used the term "outlier" in reference to HB, I wasn't talking about it's location.

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by S.I.B.

huh? what parts of Queens are you referring to...and where in Nassau are these people moving to?


what does this even mean? older residents? If so, the old goats have been heading south for warmer weather or east to retirement communities for years. This is nothing new.


I'll take a guess....as per usual, crooks is creating an "issue" out of thin air based on some random story he heard and is using it to bash Nassau.

You are kidding..right?
I let the board handle this on its own.

No ones bashing, this came up on another thread....but please don't ostrich StrongIsland I know youre smarter than that.

Crooks

[S.I.B.]

Originally Posted by Crookhaven

You are kidding..right?
I let the board handle this on its own.

No ones bashing, this came up on another thread....but please don't ostrich StrongIsland I know youre smarter than that.

Crooks

typical. when asked for specifics, you get.....nothing.

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by MikeyKid

There's a word for when people speak in absolutes without backing any of it up with actual data... it escapes me. Take that and sprinkle in "not so much" every other post and you have the pattern I've noticed with Crooks. It seems like perception and opinion is greater then actual data in many cases for him and once you can get past that, you'll see that he actually has some good insight.

FWIW - there certainly seems to be more emphasis on the migration East (Queens to Nassau, Nassau to Suffolk) in an effort to lower housing cost... In many ways I feel like this is the only thing keeping the housing market even remotely afloat right now. Almost everyone I talk to these days is about "downsizing" - and we all know when people talk about that they're basically telling you they can't afford to live where they are at the moment. Unfortunately, you run out of room and get into "vacation" areas when you travel too far East... Suffolk is really SOL in this scenario and I would think Suffolk would be more about moving to NC then "old school Nassau".

Did it start with a B and end with a T? It wasnt brilliant was it?
No....mot so much.


I think this draws your ire because it may be closer to the truth than youd care to admit.

You can put me on ignore Mikey.
Suffolk may be SOL, but it hasnt fallen yet.

Soon.

Crooks

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by S.I.B.

typical. when asked for specifics, you get.....nothing.

typical. denial.