Long Islanders are racist (Union, Westbury: for sale, rentals, neighborhood)

[scirocco22]

Originally Posted by Joe L

Whenever you complain negatively about what some minority is doing or wants to accomplish your going to get called “racist”.
It comes with the territory just ignore it.

*shrugs shoulders* Q.E.D.




Thanks.

--'rocco

[GCGuy]

I would say the people that come here should learnt the culture. When I was in Europe, I tried to learn the language and tendencies of the people of that country, even when I was only on vacation. Please, if I was moving there, I would go at it full boat. That is what the problem is, people come here and think they can live in India, China, wherever, but yet still benefit from being in America. That has to change. If where people come from was so great, they shouldn't have moved to America, I would think.

[Glad2BHere]

Originally Posted by GCGuy

That is what the problem is, people come here and think they can live in India, China, wherever, but yet still benefit from being in America. That has to change. If where people come from was so great, they shouldn't have moved to America, I would think.

Bingo, and THAT is why many people are hesitant or fearful that their neighborhood will change because along with the people come the culture and then before you know it, it is like you are living in India or China and that is not where we want to live. We want to live in the America, that is where WE were born and raised.

And for those who may say America is a melting pot, yes, at this point it is, BUT...when neighborhoods change, they never become a blend. One culture seems to dominate, American old timers often move because they become the minority and things have changed too drastically. That is not a melting pot, it is simply China or India (in America) with the houses of worship, food stores, restaurants etc and the other cultures barely try to assimilate as GCguy said. And THAT is the problem. Go take a look at Bellerose Queens.

So again, each culture generally wants to be with their own for a bond and extension of "home". So that it is NOT racial, it is preference

[mom2gurls]

Agreed with the last three posters..and not to get completely technical...but didnt WE ALL stem from somewhere..I dont know about anyone else..but IN MY American history class, the true americans were the native americans...anyone else just kind of "landed here"..So just because one is of a Caucasian white background..doesnt mean you get "dibs" or "kudos" for skin color...everyone stemmed from somewhere outside the north american continent....and it doesnt matter whether you were irish from the 1800's or protestant from the 1600..we are ALL immigrants in some shape or form....thats where our heritage comes from....the problem is that some choose to take advantage of the good things that come from this country and want to live like they were in a different country....you just cannot have it both ways.

[Glad2BHere]

Originally Posted by mom2gurls

.the problem is that some choose to take advantage of the good things that come from this country and want to live like they were in a different country....you just cannot have it both ways.

Thats is why people get stereotyped by their skin color, ethnicity. Momof2gurls, you sound very "American" and I feel for you that you pay the price for the others of your "heritage".

[mead]

Originally Posted by GCGuy

I would say the people that come here should learnt the culture. When I was in Europe, I tried to learn the language and tendencies of the people of that country, even when I was only on vacation. Please, if I was moving there, I would go at it full boat. That is what the problem is, people come here and think they can live in India, China, wherever, but yet still benefit from being in America. That has to change. If where people come from was so great, they shouldn't have moved to America, I would think.

Listen, I'm not the biggest fan of the current regime of mass immigration and mass illegal immigration into the country, and many people have told me so on these forums calling me xenophobic and whatnot.

However, I think credit needs to be given where it is due. The vast majority of Asian people in this country fully assimilate into American society after a decade or so of living here. I have rarely met a child of Asian immigrants in this country who was born here and wasn't fully assimilated into this country.

If anything I think assimilation among Asians today might be occuring at a faster pace than it did with European immigrants back in the day, or even today. I've met more than a few older Italian/Polish people who have been living in the USA for a long period of time and yet are barely fluent in English, and really have not adopted many American customs at all.

So in my mind the problem with immigrants, at least with Asian immigrants, isn't that they aren't assimilating. What is probably causing you to think that they aren't assimilating is the constant flow of new immigrants into this country from Asian countries who are not fluent in the language or knowledgeable about American customs.

[scirocco22]

Originally Posted by Glad2Bhere

Thats is why people get stereotyped by their skin color, ethnicity. Momof2gurls, you sound very "American" and I feel for you that you pay the price for the others of your "heritage".

But that's exactly my point.

Why should she "pay the price?"

Again we go back to stereotyping and how unfair it is. But yet, many of you defend stereotyping as inevitable. Perhaps it is and I'm not necessarily saying that I don't do it myself but I realize how destructive it is and try my best not to do it.

I actually agree with your premise, Goobie. But we can't automatically assume that everybody of a particular race is going to behave alike or have the exact characteristics.

As I've said in a previous post, I hope that we can distinguish between certain sub-groups within the greater group. Just because followers of Kim prefer to go into established neighborhoods and build these atrocious "houses," doesn't mean that ALL Asians are going to have the same preferences or propensities.

Again, as I've said before, we also must distinguish between F.O.B. people and those that have been in this country for generations. As I said, know many 4th and 5th generation Asians who culturally are just like you and me other than their physical features.

I intentionally used the word "hate" in another post to make a point because I personally felt an undercurrent of passion toward that emotion in some of the viewpoints in various posts in several threads in this forum.

My viewpoint obviously isn't popular. I don't even know why I'm posting in this forum because I never intend to live anywhere in New York.

So with that said, I'll take my anti-flame suit with me and leave you New Yorkers alone with your thoughts.




Thanks.

--'rocco



edit: oh before I leave ...nice post, mead! Concise and well stated. *thumbs up*

[marilyn220]

Originally Posted by CampingMom

It's not just on Long Island these things go on-it can be anywhere. I have a student on my school bus who's from the Bronx-family moved up to Dutchess a few years back. This kid is a loose cannon-flies off the handle easily. Heaven forbid someone knocks into her seat and it shakes. She's cold cocked two kids in two years-yet is still on the bus because she claims it's racial that she's being picked on-it's the other way around since she flies of the handle easy. She even started today with me because 3 girls sitting behind her bumped the seatback-she told me "she'd have my job because I don't do nothing." She gets very mouthy and acts like it's her given right to be outright rude and tries to intimidate the adults. I am waiting for her to throw the race card at me-I am American Indian-Lakota Sioux-guess who's people have had more of that issue? lol

I am sure her whole outlook is from what she's learned from home and the environment she's moved from. You learn what you live. It's easier to blame others around her and not take responsibility for her own actions.(she got at permanent assigned seat in the front for the last thrown punch) It's going to be interesting to see how this kid behaves in the high school-she's just 13- when going to a school of 4000 and to see how it goes with the attitude. If kids like this don't learn early how to get along with the population and people, it'll be a rough fall someday.

Hey CampingMom, if the girl says she's being picked on then she probably is, most kids don't lie about those things. You should be happy she told you, because many kids have learned that "snitching" will get them in trouble with their peers and make it worse.

She probably has an attitude because no one's helping her and she feels alone. To make matters worse, you've stereotyped her because she's from the Bronx. So? Not everyone from the Bronx is a hard azz.

I'm sorry, I don't know why, but stories like this bother me.

Okay, back to the topic of traditional Long Islanders being racist.

[Joe L]

Originally Posted by mom2gurls

....the problem is that some choose to take advantage of the good things that come from this country and want to live like they were in a different country....you just cannot have it both ways.

Best statement all week, and thats EXACTLY who I'm talking about when I say "Certain Groups"="Some"...im not a racist
-Joe

[Dedalus]

Originally Posted by GCGuy

I would say the people that come here should learnt the culture. When I was in Europe, I tried to learn the language and tendencies of the people of that country, even when I was only on vacation. Please, if I was moving there, I would go at it full boat. That is what the problem is, people come here and think they can live in India, China, wherever, but yet still benefit from being in America. That has to change. If where people come from was so great, they shouldn't have moved to America, I would think.

Well said. When I visited Holland, I even tried to learn a little Dutch. I am a horrible linguist, and my efforts never failed to get a laugh. I had an awkward time in Paris because I don't speak French much (though I got a 92 on the French Regents exam - go figure) but I found people to be very gracious if I at least tried to speak their language. They say the French are rude, but you couldn't prove it by me. Possibly, some of our countrymen think it's a theme park - they should go to the Paris mock-up in Vegas instead.

What I say is: you're welcome to come to America...to be an American. If you're looking to make my country into Mexico, China, India, or whereever....then go the f--- back where you came from.