Nassau County residents: who do you hope wins the Suozzi-Mangano recount? (New York: cost, assessment)

[hotkarl]

I don't see what the big deal is anymore. This whole country is based on corruption and shadyness. It's the norm now, and has been for quite some time.

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by hotkarl

I don't see what the big deal is anymore. This whole country is based on corruption and shadyness. It's the norm now, and has been for quite some time.

So you are content to pay more and more taxes while the incumbents lap up the fat of the land?

I'm not. If we have to suffer, let the shady politicians suffer short-lived periods in office so they don't get ahead by stepping on us anymore.

Why not vote them all out until we find a politician who is WORTHY of being an incumbent?

Sometimes politicians who care about the people do arrive on the scene. For example, I found in the last presidential race that Ron Paul was not just lying and "talking the talk" and trying to get into office for his own personal power trip and financial enrichment like the rest of them. I think he is an example of a politician that really cares about the American people. Even though I didn't agree with some of his views, if he had been the Republican candidate I would have voted for him over Obama. Since the Republicans ended up nominating a crazy person, I had to vote for Obama to keep the greater evil from coming in to finish the hatchet job Bush II started on us.

[pdcnret]

Originally Posted by azzurrony

Pdcnret

With all due respect, the union president essentially said the brass was fudging numbers to make Nassau politicians look better. The point was that we cannot completely trust the numbers to give us an accurate picture of what is going on.

Besides, I think county numbers are too broad to draw an accurate picture of the situation. I think we need (even though we don't have) numbers from various sections of Nassau County to see where the real problems are arising.

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The union president also accused ''the police hierarchy'' of altering numbers so political leaders could point to statistics showing a drop in crime. ''We've known for years that they have skewed the numbers to make the politicians look good,'' Officer DelaRaba said.
For example, he said, if numerous crimes were committed at one scene, the police officer's on-the-scene report would be altered by higher-ups in the final report to reflect only one crime. ''If a number of felonies were committed, they would report only one felony,'' Officer DelaRaba said. ''If there were a burglary and an assault, they would report only the burglary.''

Union presidents say lots of things, some of them untrue and exaggeration of fact. I doubt that he had an intimate knowledge of the gathering of FBI crime information. That said, understand that the FBI data has both strengths and weaknesses. It is (just) one way of looking at crime and may not give the depth of information that's required, particularly for those areas that are not incorporated or without their own police departments. (The NCPD utilizes their own in-house crime statistics to shape operational requirements.) On the flip side, it is a standardized way of looking at crime nationwide, providing some level of comparison. Not perfect, but it has its uses.

[Smash255]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

So you are content to pay more and more taxes while the incumbents lap up the fat of the land?

I'm not. If we have to suffer, let the shady politicians suffer short-lived periods in office so they don't get ahead by stepping on us anymore.

Why not vote them all out until we find a politician who is WORTHY of being an incumbent?

Sometimes politicians who care about the people do arrive on the scene. For example, I found in the last presidential race that Ron Paul was not just lying and "talking the talk" and trying to get into office for his own personal power trip and financial enrichment like the rest of them. I think he is an example of a politician that really cares about the American people. Even though I didn't agree with some of his views, if he had been the Republican candidate I would have voted for him over Obama. Since the Republicans ended up nominating a crazy person, I had to vote for Obama to keep the greater evil from coming in to finish the hatchet job Bush II started on us.

I tend to disagree with you regarding Suozzi, however based off your reasoning for the Presidential race last year why didn't you apply the same logic to the County Executive race when you picked an old school Gullotta lap dog? Unless you happen to feel Gullotta did a better job than Suozzi has done?

[hotkarl]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

So you are content to pay more and more taxes while the incumbents lap up the fat of the land?

I'm not. If we have to suffer, let the shady politicians suffer short-lived periods in office so they don't get ahead by stepping on us anymore.

Why not vote them all out until we find a politician who is WORTHY of being an incumbent?

Sometimes politicians who care about the people do arrive on the scene. For example, I found in the last presidential race that Ron Paul was not just lying and "talking the talk" and trying to get into office for his own personal power trip and financial enrichment like the rest of them. I think he is an example of a politician that really cares about the American people. Even though I didn't agree with some of his views, if he had been the Republican candidate I would have voted for him over Obama. Since the Republicans ended up nominating a crazy person, I had to vote for Obama to keep the greater evil from coming in to finish the hatchet job Bush II started on us.

Sure why not? I'm a masochist.
I love being kicked in the nuts when I'm down. It's the only thing I know living here.
I've grown to embrace corruption, it's the American way ya know.
Corruption is good, keeps the wheels turning, you can see from how fat everybody involved in politics, government jobs and the subsequent patronage jobs are living. Hell, I can't wait to get one of the many civil service jobs I applied for so I can get my own corrupt piece of the pie.
Milking the system is awesome. With the overtime I can afford to finally buy that motorboat with 3 propellers!

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by hotkarl

Sure why not? I'm a masochist.
I love being kicked in the nuts when I'm down. It's the only thing I know living here.
I've grown to embrace corruption, it's the American way ya know.
Corruption is good, keeps the wheels turning, you can see from how fat everybody involved in politics, government jobs and the subsequent patronage jobs are living. Hell, I can't wait to get one of the many civil service jobs I applied for so I can get my own corrupt piece of the pie.
Milking the system is awesome. With the overtime I can afford to finally buy that motorboat with 3 propellers!

Dude, why just settle for a CS job? You should run for office!!!!

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by Smash255

I tend to disagree with you regarding Suozzi, however based off your reasoning for the Presidential race last year why didn't you apply the same logic to the County Executive race when you picked an old school Gullotta lap dog? Unless you happen to feel Gullotta did a better job than Suozzi has done?

Gullotta ended up being an incumbent so long that he was totally currupt. He was a perfect storm of corruption. Suozzi only got in because he was a Democrat, not because he was considered so superior to Gullotta. And Suozzi technically ended up performing better than Gullotta who turned Nassau's paper into junk bonds! You can't go much lower than that in performance!

The thing is I wanted to get Suozzi out of there at all costs and that Mangano was the only challenger with a chance, which is similar to how I really preferred Ron Paul, but Obama was the only one who had a chance vs. McCain, so I had to vote for Obama. This 2 party system (yeah there's other parties but they never seem to get anywhere) will be the death of us because we end up not being able to vote for someone we think will actually do some good, but voting for the lesser of two evils too many times.

If the Gullotta lap dog gets in, I will give him a chance but not be asleep at the switch as I had been for too much of Suozzi's reign. Maybe Mangano has learned something? If not, we try and catch him in misdeeds, fight him tooth and nail, and vote him out next election.

[rh71]

Originally Posted by Johninwestbury

I swear its quicker to walk than take those freakin buses.

why not buy a cheap used car? Just wondering why you're always on about the buses that we all know are "last resort"? I don't know a good way to say this but if you weren't around "illegals" all the time then you wouldn't complain so much. Yes, the problem will still be there to a degree but it costs to have a better quality of life (location, transportation, etc.) for yourself. It only makes sense.

BTW, I think politics is not worth my time (one waiting for another to do something that will never be done)... and my time isn't even worth that much.

[Smash255]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

Gullotta ended up being an incumbent so long that he was totally currupt. He was a perfect storm of corruption. Suozzi only got in because he was a Democrat, not because he was considered so superior to Gullotta. And Suozzi technically ended up performing better than Gullotta who turned Nassau's paper into junk bonds! You can't go much lower than that in performance!

The thing is I wanted to get Suozzi out of there at all costs and that Mangano was the only challenger with a chance, which is similar to how I really preferred Ron Paul, but Obama was the only one who had a chance vs. McCain, so I had to vote for Obama. This 2 party system (yeah there's other parties but they never seem to get anywhere) will be the death of us because we end up not being able to vote for someone we think will actually do some good, but voting for the lesser of two evils too many times.

If the Gullotta lap dog gets in, I will give him a chance but not be asleep at the switch as I had been for too much of Suozzi's reign. Maybe Mangano has learned something? If not, we try and catch him in misdeeds, fight him tooth and nail, and vote him out next election.

The problem with that thinking is if Mangano hasn't changed, (and his tenure in the Legislature the last few years has given us no reason to believe he is any different than he was when Gullotta was in office) by the time we get to the next election it might be too late we could be right back to where we were at the junk bond level.

I know you aren't a fan of Suozzi and granted I will admit I am quite partisan, but if the GOP was offering up someone fresh who didn't have the ties to the old guard, while I might still disagree with your vote I could least understand where it was coming from. However, what I don't understand is voting for someone with such close ties to Gullotta, when you felt that despite not really liking Suozzi that he did a better job than Gullotta.

[hotkarl]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

Dude, why just settle for a CS job? You should run for office!!!!

Believe me, I am considering it.

I would turn the political world upside down around here if I actually did win. Real change that you can really believe in. Like Really. That's what we desperately need, a regular Joe to get in there and get things done. Without regard to politics as usual and hurting people's feelings, telling things like they are and standing up for what is smart and most appropriate and FAIR for EVERYONE. And not being some chicken-**** political party puppet.

I'd also more than likely end up sleeping with the fishes too.