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Old 01-26-2010, 09:46 PM
 
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I've never liked Schmitt.
Always seemed like a fat arrogant pompous lowlife self serving bastid.
How do we get rid of this A-hole?
remember this at the next election ..
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Old 01-26-2010, 09:56 PM
 
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I'm fairly partisan when it comes to national politics, when it comes to local politics I have no illusions. I know people who worked on Suozzi's campaign back in 2000's and he ran on the same "I'll cut the fat, no patronage" etc, meanwhile it was business as usual with people getting hooked up with jobs after he won. This new regime will be no different, and even worse they are in bed with the NCPD, making Suozzi appear almost neutral on them, and Schmitt just appears to me like a criminal who I wouldn't let watch my kid for an hour, nevermind trust him to make sound policy. I've always felt that way about that guy.

Levy, on the other hand, has both Latino Groups and the PBA bashing him, so he must be doing something right. Anytime you have 2 special interest groups from polar opposite sides of the spectrum after you, you are most likely doing the right thing for the taxpayer.
the price he is paying for not being politically correct. He refuses to cave in. Gotta love the guy.
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Old 01-26-2010, 10:54 PM
 
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Dman,

The problem here is that you called yourself a moderate with a center-left tendency. Yet, you have shown nothing on these boards to merit that sort of label. You're a great contributor to this forum, but you are in no way shape or form a "moderate".

To me, a moderate is someone capable of voting half the time for each party. It's really a true independent. A center-left moderate would probably vote Republican about 25-30 percent of the time.

I highly doubt this is the case with you. It's funny to me when people try to paint themselves with the label "moderate", and yet, they are pretty much incapable of voting for the other side.

In the end, I think people should just be honest and open about what they are. Given your stances and the fact that I've almost never read you supporting any conservative stances, it's safe to say you are solidly left of center.

Finally, the attacks on religion here are really not needed. Many very bright people have a strong faith and choose to worship. They are not all sheep that simply do the bidding of a "pastor". This is similar to the argument that all Democratic voters are ignorant welfare recipients and zombies of their union leaders. We all know better.
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Old 01-27-2010, 08:30 AM
 
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Dman,

The problem here is that you called yourself a moderate with a center-left tendency. Yet, you have shown nothing on these boards to merit that sort of label. You're a great contributor to this forum, but you are in no way shape or form a "moderate".

To me, a moderate is someone capable of voting half the time for each party. It's really a true independent. A center-left moderate would probably vote Republican about 25-30 percent of the time.

I highly doubt this is the case with you. It's funny to me when people try to paint themselves with the label "moderate", and yet, they are pretty much incapable of voting for the other side.

In the end, I think people should just be honest and open about what they are. Given your stances and the fact that I've almost never read you supporting any conservative stances, it's safe to say you are solidly left of center.

Finally, the attacks on religion here are really not needed. Many very bright people have a strong faith and choose to worship. They are not all sheep that simply do the bidding of a "pastor". This is similar to the argument that all Democratic voters are ignorant welfare recipients and zombies of their union leaders. We all know better.
I'm a center left moderate in the scope of the Western World, in the US I'm a leftist. What people here don't realize is that the Democrats platform is almost center right anywhere in Europe. There is no left wing party in the US. You can poo poo that all you want, but do a little studying of every other Western Democracy, and you'll see that Social Democrats are the center left party there..they are the force behind universal healthcare, 6 week vacations, and cheap college educations for everyone..all that stuff that makes standard of living in Europe higher for the average citizen.

So while you guys think that anyone who votes for a Democrat is a fire breathing radical, you're way off the mark. Obama may have come from a pretty left leaning background, but thus far his policies have been so middle of the road, the level of vitriol calling him a socialist is rendered comical.

As for the pastor comment, there are absolutely churches in this country where members were instructed by their pastor to vote for certain candidates. If you don't think that's weird and perverse, I don't know what to say to it. A union is a political organization by definition. A church that has tax free status is supposed to be a-political.
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Old 01-27-2010, 08:33 AM
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Politics and religion are the same beast, but with different colored fur.
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Old 01-27-2010, 11:01 AM
 
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I'm a center left moderate in the scope of the Western World, in the US I'm a leftist. What people here don't realize is that the Democrats platform is almost center right anywhere in Europe. There is no left wing party in the US. You can poo poo that all you want, but do a little studying of every other Western Democracy, and you'll see that Social Democrats are the center left party there..they are the force behind universal healthcare, 6 week vacations, and cheap college educations for everyone..all that stuff that makes standard of living in Europe higher for the average citizen.

So while you guys think that anyone who votes for a Democrat is a fire breathing radical, you're way off the mark. Obama may have come from a pretty left leaning background, but thus far his policies have been so middle of the road, the level of vitriol calling him a socialist is rendered comical.

As for the pastor comment, there are absolutely churches in this country where members were instructed by their pastor to vote for certain candidates. If you don't think that's weird and perverse, I don't know what to say to it. A union is a political organization by definition. A church that has tax free status is supposed to be a-political.
Of course, there are pastors who are political. Ask the good Rev. Wright in Chicago My point is that not all attendees are sheep doing the pastor's bidding. Christians, Jews, and other people of faith are well educated and have a mind of their own. If you want to engage in rural stereotypes about "religion", then I can't help you there.

As for Europe, I've lived in Italy and my wife is from the UK. So, I know the international political spectrum very well. In fact, having lived in Europe has made me MORE conservative because I want no part of their healthcare system, their taxes, their regulation, their public debt from entitlements, their lack of research and development, and their unemployment rates.

Hell, if you make over 80,000 a yr (as a family) in Denmark, you are taxed at close to 70%! Give me some of that money back, and I'll find great healthcare and a solid education on my own..thank you very much.

It's easy to look at Europe in a vacuum and think everything is rosy over there. It's not. The entitlements and labor protections you mention are drowning most European countries. The unemployment among youth is depressing. Almost all of my cousins in Italy have degrees, but none of them can find jobs. They spend their lives living at home with their parents and grandparents.

Europe can't sustain the level of entitlements it has given out and it will catch up with them. Multinationals are not investing there the way they once were (except for Switzerland which is the most conservative country). Soon, many countries there will become nothing more than shells of themselves, with little left in their economies other than tourism.

So, if the "left" of the US, and the "center" in Europe want to expand the size and scope of government, that's not a wonderful model to emulate here in the US.
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Old 01-27-2010, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Default Remember: They are ALL Weasels!

It's pretty comical how the Dems are telling Newsday they are "appalled" at Schmitt's move. As Schmitt says in "self defense," when the Dems were in charge, they tried to give themselves raises 3 times, but failed:

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"I put it forth in the full light of day . . . and I stand by my decision," Schmitt said, also calling the Democratic minority "ethical hypocrites."

He added, "All I did was what former presiding officer Judy Jacobs tried to do three times. I didn't see the Democratic legislators holding news conferences against her. . . . Nor did I see Democratic indignation when they voted to increase former County Executive [Thomas] Suozzi's salary by 60 percent."

When Democrats controlled the Legislature, they also voted for a large pay increase for county officials. In 2007, they increased then-County Executive Thomas Suozzi's salary by 60 percent to $174,614. Suozzi had gone without a raise for about five years. The comptroller, district attorney, clerk and assessor each received pay raises.
I don't remember how big of a raise Democrat Jacobs tried to get when she was presiding officer (Schmitt's amount is totally piggish), but I do remember it did not go over well!!!

So, the moral of the story is THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS IN LONG ISLAND POLITICS!

Keep voting them OUT of office until we find someone who deserves to be an incumbent! What I find appalling is how easily our area keeps useless and greedy incumbents year after year after year! What is wrong with us?
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Old 01-27-2010, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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It's pretty comical how the Dems are telling Newsday they are "appalled" at Schmitt's move. As Schmitt says in "self defense," when the Dems were in charge, they tried to give themselves raises 3 times, but failed:



I don't remember how big of a raise Democrat Jacobs tried to get when she was presiding officer (Schmitt's amount is totally piggish), but I do remember it did not go over well!!!

So, the moral of the story is THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS IN LONG ISLAND POLITICS!

Keep voting them OUT of office until we find someone who deserves to be an incumbent! What I find appalling is how easily our area keeps useless and greedy incumbents year after year after year! What is wrong with us?
One big difference between the raises during that was put out there during Jacobs's tenure and this one is more public notice for one. You are right it didn't go over well, but it was not something that was done in a rather sneaky manner, everyone knew what was going on. Also, they happened during a much different economic climate. Not saying I agreed with the raises Jacobs tried to push through, but it was done during a better economic climate and was more transparent.

I'm not against all raises for public officials. Sometimes its needed and/or warranted. However, you have a right way to go about it and a wrong way to go about it. Size, timing, and the way it is pushed through are all very important factors. In this case, as you said the size is just piggish. The timing is just absolutely brutal and the way Schmitt pushed this through is even worse.
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Old 01-27-2010, 02:11 PM
 
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Smash..I agree with you 100% on this one.

Both sides are being pigs, and Schmitt right now is the biggest porker out there.
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Old 01-27-2010, 02:16 PM
 
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One big difference between the raises during that was put out there during Jacobs's tenure and this one is more public notice for one. You are right it didn't go over well, but it was not something that was done in a rather sneaky manner, everyone knew what was going on. Also, they happened during a much different economic climate. Not saying I agreed with the raises Jacobs tried to push through, but it was done during a better economic climate and was more transparent.

I'm not against all raises for public officials. Sometimes its needed and/or warranted. However, you have a right way to go about it and a wrong way to go about it. Size, timing, and the way it is pushed through are all very important factors. In this case, as you said the size is just piggish. The timing is just absolutely brutal and the way Schmitt pushed this through is even worse.
I agree - no one says these guys should be laughed at while they struggle to make ends meet. However they went into the positions knowing they are part-time and paid as such. If they want to be paid more due to the demands of the position, make the business case for it. If they want some COLA increases, put in 3-4%. The 45% increase though, particularly in these times when many people don't have jobs and many of those that do aren't getting any raises is patently ridiculous.
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