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Before you judge, check out the contracts of your local school district and tell me how rough you think they have it.
Actually I have and they read about the same as every contract I have worked for as far as work rules. A little shy in some areas and better in others but that is to be expected. As they bargain for and trade away things to fit their specific job needs and wants. Being from the airlines I will NEVER advocate any working class individual take a pay cut or any concessions for that matter. Perhaps in that sense I am a bit biased but looking over the teachers pay and compensation packages in relation to the requirenments for the job I cannot honestly say they are the problem. Most teachers are not at those top rates that are continuously pushed by agenda driven news sources.
And if that teacher wasn't tenured, that teacher would be fired.
Any teacher who does that deserves to be fired. I work for less than 45 K and put in 12 hour days 4 days a week and sometimes on Friday, then I work at night and on weekends. Money should not be a motivating factor for someone who is a good teacher. Money does not make a teacher better. I know teachers who get more than I do and still do less work. Yeah, they would probably work somewhere else for a raise, but I choose to stay where I have stayed for almost 10 years because I have a committment to the kids and the people I work with. More money is nice but knowing you are doing a good job is better, at least I think so.
Try teaching and then go back and re-read some of these things you are writing.
You can't speak about it until you can see it from a teacher's daily life.
For taxpayers that are interested you can look up what each teacher in your school district makes. Plus you can view the teachers & Superintendents contract !
Try teaching and then go back and re-read some of these things you are writing.
You can't speak about it until you can see it from a teacher's daily life.
They would be singing a different tune if only they COULD walk a mile in a teacher's shoes. So many dissenters, my my...you go into a classroom with 30 children for a day and see how it feels!! Especially if the kids are hell-bent on getting away with anything they can, a prevalent attitude. Where, oh where did they get that from? You say TV, I say bad parenting. But that's an entirely different subject. I look at these teacher-bashing threads and see adults crying and complaining about everything they disagree with. Then you see the children crying and complaining about everything they disagree with. Where did they learn that, teacher-bashers? Look in a mirror for the apples don't fall far from the trees.
04-01-2010, 11:05 PM
grant516
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Originally Posted by sidrah
Any teacher who does that deserves to be fired. I work for less than 45 K and put in 12 hour days 4 days a week and sometimes on Friday, then I work at night and on weekends. Money should not be a motivating factor for someone who is a good teacher. Money does not make a teacher better. I know teachers who get more than I do and still do less work. Yeah, they would probably work somewhere else for a raise, but I choose to stay where I have stayed for almost 10 years because I have a committment to the kids and the people I work with. More money is nice but knowing you are doing a good job is better, at least I think so.
I wouldn't work for that little money, in just about any job.
Actually I have and they read about the same as every contract I have worked for as far as work rules. A little shy in some areas and better in others but that is to be expected. As they bargain for and trade away things to fit their specific job needs and wants. Being from the airlines I will NEVER advocate any working class individual take a pay cut or any concessions for that matter. Perhaps in that sense I am a bit biased but looking over the teachers pay and compensation packages in relation to the requirenments for the job I cannot honestly say they are the problem. Most teachers are not at those top rates that are continuously pushed by agenda driven news sources.
If they are not a problem, than what is the problem, and why does the local school district budget account for anywhere between 60-75% of property taxes on any given property in any town on Long Island?
I hate that any discussion like this invariably wanders off entirely into either criticism of, or rabid support for, what teachers actually do and how hard their job is. I honestly don't even care about that. The issue should always only be why are the taxes so high and what can we do about it? It just so happens that payroll (including funding for benefits) is an extremely large majority of that 60-75% Words like "deserve" "hard work" "thankless" "lazy", etc. should never enter the discussion. Let's just stick to numbers and facts, not opinions on what certain professions are worth.
Or do people actually think the average amount of property taxes on Long Island are reasonable? I really can't say I've ever heard anyone say that, and judging from the exodus of most major non-service industries from LI over the last 25+ years, it seems like the problem goes all the way to the top.
If they are not a problem, than what is the problem, and why does the local school district budget account for anywhere between 60-75% of property taxes on any given property in any town on Long Island?
I hate that any discussion like this invariably wanders off entirely into either criticism of, or rabid support for, what teachers actually do and how hard their job is. I honestly don't even care about that. The issue should always only be why are the taxes so high and what can we do about it? It just so happens that payroll (including funding for benefits) is an extremely large majority of that 60-75% Words like "deserve" "hard work" "thankless" "lazy", etc. should never enter the discussion. Let's just stick to numbers and facts, not opinions on what certain professions are worth.
Or do people actually think the average amount of property taxes on Long Island are reasonable? I really can't say I've ever heard anyone say that, and judging from the exodus of most major non-service industries from LI over the last 25+ years, it seems like the problem goes all the way to the top.
Having to support a reduntant infastructure in every town is part of why the schools budget is what it is every year. Illegal aptments and rentals is another burden/liability. Education is labor intensive and requires an educated professional workforce. Thats gonna cost as well. You add up the urban layout of Mcmansions and the burden is gonna weigh heavy on property owners. Property taxes also make up the majority of the funding and this will always make school taxes look like they make up an unfair percentage of your tax bill. BTW my "tax bill is much larger than property taxes alone. Income and sales taxes plus all the taxes passed onto consumers in the cost of goods make my property taxes look cheap
My property taxes are within reason for the salary I can command on the island. I can move off the island but would get payed significantly less doing what I do now. Inspecting and maintaning specialised electronic inverter controls.
I make about what the average teacher in my district does with less of an education and much less day to day stress. I would not want to walk in their shoes everyday and feel they deserve what they are earning with the requirenments we place on them. A masters is not cheap even though some people here make you beleive it is a joke. I will NEVER advocate any working class person take a paycut or give back anything that was fought for. We as working class folks will never get those benefits back.... like pensions.
Having to support a reduntant infastructure in every town is part of why the schools budget is what it is every year. Illegal aptments and rentals is another burden/liability. Education is labor intensive and requires an educated professional workforce. Thats gonna cost as well. You add up the urban layout of Mcmansions and the burden is gonna weigh heavy on property owners. Property taxes also make up the majority of the funding and this will always make school taxes look like they make up an unfair percentage of your tax bill. BTW my "tax bill is much larger than property taxes alone. Income and sales taxes plus all the taxes passed onto consumers in the cost of goods make my property taxes look cheap
My property taxes are within reason for the salary I can command on the island. I can move off the island but would get payed significantly less doing what I do now. Inspecting and maintaning specialised electronic inverter controls.
I make about what the average teacher in my district does with less of an education and much less day to day stress. I would not want to walk in their shoes everyday and feel they deserve what they are earning with the requirenments we place on them. A masters is not cheap even though some people here make you beleive it is a joke. I will NEVER advocate any working class person take a paycut or give back anything that was fought for. We as working class folks will never get those benefits back.... like pensions.
+1 for the above. It isn't just property taxes. and the taxes arent spread out evenly. It's a faulty system when I want to better my neighborhood, by improving my property, and get penalized by more taxes (but that sounds like another thread) I_Love... did you read my response about pensions and 401k on the other thread before it was 'closed'?
In the teachers contract for Lindy I dont see merit rases. I see longevity rases (steps) and I see collums a teacher can move into with continued & higher education. A teacher can stay in the first lane their whole career if they want to, but if they work for more degrees, shouldnt they be paid for it?
Lastly, their benefits aren't as expensive as it's said to be. The are probably part of the NYS Empire Plan, its for gov't employees, and its bought in bulk. So it costs way less than in we were to buy insurance on the outside. (Buy in bulk price goes down) Also they (In Lindy) are paying 20% of the cost.
+1 for the above. It isn't just property taxes. and the taxes arent spread out evenly. It's a faulty system when I want to better my neighborhood, by improving my property, and get penalized by more taxes (but that sounds like another thread) I_Love... did you read my response about pensions and 401k on the other thread before it was 'closed'?
In the teachers contract for Lindy I dont see merit rases. I see longevity rases (steps) and I see collums a teacher can move into with continued & higher education. A teacher can stay in the first lane their whole career if they want to, but if they work for more degrees, shouldnt they be paid for it?
Lastly, their benefits aren't as expensive as it's said to be. The are probably part of the NYS Empire Plan, its for gov't employees, and its bought in bulk. So it costs way less than in we were to buy insurance on the outside. (Buy in bulk price goes down) Also they (In Lindy) are paying 20% of the cost.
20% contribution is on the high side even in the private sector. You are correct about the cost of benefits being lower per employee for public sector though. I forgot about that being one of the benefits of our newly signed tax... oops I mean health plan :
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