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Old 04-22-2010, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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In order to increase the retirements to open up more entry level jobs Mangano has gone back to the Gullotta type deals with the Unions. I can see the need for retirement incentives, but this?? Ahhh how lovely.....


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Mangano projects his incentive plan will lead to the retirement of 75 police, 160 Civil Service Employee Association members and 66 correction officers, for an annual average savings of $16 million over the next several years. The deal is only for workers who are eligible for retirement.

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Old 04-23-2010, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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In order to increase the retirements to open up more entry level jobs Mangano has gone back to the Gullotta type deals with the Unions. I can see the need for retirement incentives, but this?? Ahhh how lovely.....





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And what does he plan to have in the contracts for the new employees replacing the retirees?

It better be REFORM the sweetheart deals or this whole thing is worthless and we stand to LOSE a lot more than the supposed $16M savings.

How long do County Executives stay in office? 4 years?
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Old 04-23-2010, 08:42 AM
 
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Ha Ha. Pay them a fat incentive to retire, then pay them their fat pension while claiming to save money. So each new $40k hire costs $500k+ up front but that money is deferred over the retirement years so Mangano's budget LOOKS balanced THIS year but we all get screwed for years down the road. And it looks like he creates entry level jobs. More shell games and BS. The dems and repubs both do it. Anyone stuck with the 2 party mindset IS the problem, particularly on LI. And don't give me that "tea party" nonesense. There have been real independents long before these republican shills got bankrolled by the GOP and grabbed some headlines.
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Old 04-23-2010, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Ha Ha. Pay them a fat incentive to retire, then pay them their fat pension while claiming to save money. So each new $40k hire costs $500k+ up front but that money is deferred over the retirement years so Mangano's budget LOOKS balanced THIS year but we all get screwed for years down the road. And it looks like he creates entry level jobs. More shell games and BS. The dems and repubs both do it. Anyone stuck with the 2 party mindset IS the problem, particularly on LI. And don't give me that "tea party" nonesense. There have been real independents long before these republican shills got bankrolled by the GOP and grabbed some headlines.
You're right!

Looks like it's time to send some "We are watching YOU closely" letters to Mangano ...
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Old 04-23-2010, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Union County
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More shell games and BS. The dems and repubs both do it. Anyone stuck with the 2 party mindset IS the problem, particularly on LI. And don't give me that "tea party" nonesense. There have been real independents long before these republican shills got bankrolled by the GOP and grabbed some headlines.
^^

Seconded... the party argument is just deflection away from trying to solve the real issues.
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Old 04-23-2010, 09:25 AM
 
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Wow, he's a cop, he was supported by the NCPD PBA, now he's making all the vets millionaires. What shock.
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Old 04-23-2010, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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And what does he plan to have in the contracts for the new employees replacing the retirees?

It better be REFORM the sweetheart deals or this whole thing is worthless and we stand to LOSE a lot more than the supposed $16M savings.

How long do County Executives stay in office? 4 years?
I doubt it, looks very much like the Gullotta sweet heart deals. Can't say I didn't see this coming, I called it last year. Just surprised he is doing it this quick.
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Old 04-23-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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Ha Ha. Pay them a fat incentive to retire, then pay them their fat pension while claiming to save money. So each new $40k hire costs $500k+ up front but that money is deferred over the retirement years so Mangano's budget LOOKS balanced THIS year but we all get screwed for years down the road. And it looks like he creates entry level jobs. More shell games and BS. The dems and repubs both do it. Anyone stuck with the 2 party mindset IS the problem, particularly on LI. And don't give me that "tea party" nonesense. There have been real independents long before these republican shills got bankrolled by the GOP and grabbed some headlines.
Not quite. Once an individual retires from the county -- cop, civilian or whatever -- his pension is paid by the state. The county no longer makes pension contributions on behalf of that individual and except for whatever contractual obligations the county has to retirees (not pensions), they are no longer on the county payroll. There are significant savings in creating one-time incentives for senior personnel to retire. One of them is that all new hires will be in newly created pension tiers which will lower pension costs. The other is the obvious cost of entry level personnel versus senior personnel.

There's no give-away here. Mangano has created an opportunity for real savings. Those who can't see that either don't understand it ... or can't deal with the change in which Democrats were sent packing.
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Old 04-23-2010, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Wallens Ridge
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Not quite. Once an individual retires from the county -- cop, civilian or whatever -- his pension is paid by the state. The county no longer makes pension contributions on behalf of that individual and except for whatever contractual obligations the county has to retirees (not pensions), they are no longer on the county payroll. There are significant savings in creating one-time incentives for senior personnel to retire. One of them is that all new hires will be in newly created pension tiers which will lower pension costs. The other is the obvious cost of entry level personnel versus senior personnel.

There's no give-away here. Mangano has created an opportunity for real savings. Those who can't see that either don't understand it ... or can't deal with the change in which Democrats were sent packing.

Exactly...at least someone gets it
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Old 04-23-2010, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Not quite. Once an individual retires from the county -- cop, civilian or whatever -- his pension is paid by the state. The county no longer makes pension contributions on behalf of that individual and except for whatever contractual obligations the county has to retirees (not pensions), they are no longer on the county payroll. There are significant savings in creating one-time incentives for senior personnel to retire. One of them is that all new hires will be in newly created pension tiers which will lower pension costs. The other is the obvious cost of entry level personnel versus senior personnel.

There's no give-away here. Mangano has created an opportunity for real savings. Those who can't see that either don't understand it ... or can't deal with the change in which Democrats were sent packing.
Giving the cops a couple hundred thousand EXTRA in order to retire is a give away. No one should be walking away with $500,000 of taxpayer $$$ in addition to pensions in order to retire
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