Why Do School Boards Give Teachers These Outrageous Contracts? (East Williston: safety, eat)

[NHP Guy]

Originally Posted by sabbat hunter

With all of these complaints about teachers salaries, I would like to know what you think teachers should get paid, if you think they are indeed over compensated.

Don't be lazy, read the thread for the various opinions.

[Goodnight]

Originally Posted by sabbat hunter

With all of these complaints about teachers salaries, I would like to know what you think teachers should get paid, if you think they are indeed over compensated.

I don’t think you are going to get an exact answer to your question but most will tell you they are too high. It’s not realistic to reduce salaries but school boards should be considering a salary freeze since teachers have received excessive benefits on the last few contracts. They should also start paying a fair share of their health benefits and there should be no guarantee for free health care after retirement.

[SilverBulletZ06]

Originally Posted by kmrlongisland

Are you as frustrated as I am that your breakdown has to be repeated over and over?

Yes, quite so.

Fastrudy, you can find individual averages by SD by searching.

As per NewYorkSchools.com, not including benefits. Actually a nice site because they break down admin vs teacher pay totals.

Sachem: 87360
Middle Country: 82111
TVSD: 79050
CSHSD: 90638
HHHSD: 77427
Pat-Med SD: 86447

Any other requests?

[7CatMom]

Originally Posted by Goodnight

I don’t think you are going to get an exact answer to your question but most will tell you they are too high. It’s not realistic to reduce salaries but school boards should be considering a salary freeze since teachers have received excessive benefits on the last few contracts. They should also start paying a fair share of their health benefits and there should be no guarantee for free health care after retirement.

Sure in some districts the pay has gone up faster than in others, and yes, that is partially the fault of the school board, but also the union, the lawyers and the administrators.
Lowering of salaries isn't going to happen, but slowing down increases most certainly already has started to happen. Conscientious boards realize that the typical increases can't be sustained and as contracts are expiring, they are negotiating lower increases. That, along with the new added Tier V for pensions and the retiring of all of the Tier I teachers, will help to decrease budget lines.
As for health benefits, many districts have already negotiated increased contributions, many times at 1% more per year. Some are already up to 21 or 22% now. When teachers retire they have to pay the same percent for their health coverage as when they retired, it's not free. Back in the day of districts covering 100% it was free, but not anymore - it's been a long time since that was free! Although there may be a couple of holdouts, but I doubt it.

[crv1010]

Originally Posted by 7CatMom

Sure in some districts the pay has gone up faster than in others, and yes, that is partially the fault of the school board, but also the union, the lawyers and the administrators.
Lowering of salaries isn't going to happen, but slowing down increases most certainly already has started to happen. Conscientious boards realize that the typical increases can't be sustained and as contracts are expiring, they are negotiating lower increases. That, along with the new added Tier V for pensions and the retiring of all of the Tier I teachers, will help to decrease budget lines.
As for health benefits, many districts have already negotiated increased contributions, many times at 1% more per year. Some are already up to 21 or 22% now. When teachers retire they have to pay the same percent for their health coverage as when they retired, it's not free. Back in the day of districts covering 100% it was free, but not anymore - it's been a long time since that was free! Although there may be a couple of holdouts, but I doubt it.

7CatMom...could you provide us with the name(s) of of districts with reasonable salary increases or districts with reasonable teachers salaries?

By the way you never answered my question as to which district (s) do not provide payments to the teachers Union for prescriptions, eyeglasses, life insurance etc........

[NHP Guy]

Originally Posted by 7CatMom

Sure in some districts the pay has gone up faster than in others, and yes, that is partially the fault of the school board, but also the union, the lawyers and the administrators.
Lowering of salaries isn't going to happen, but slowing down increases most certainly already has started to happen. Conscientious boards realize that the typical increases can't be sustained and as contracts are expiring, they are negotiating lower increases. That, along with the new added Tier V for pensions and the retiring of all of the Tier I teachers, will help to decrease budget lines.
As for health benefits, many districts have already negotiated increased contributions, many times at 1% more per year. Some are already up to 21 or 22% now. When teachers retire they have to pay the same percent for their health coverage as when they retired, it's not free. Back in the day of districts covering 100% it was free, but not anymore - it's been a long time since that was free! Although there may be a couple of holdouts, but I doubt it.

I think this is all that most people want from LI public school teachers. Simply put, it's all about living in a similar situation as the majority of the people around you. For the time being, that means limited or non-existent raises as well as an additional fiscal responsibility when it comes time to funding retirement benefits.

[NHP Guy]

Fastrudy - how is that "research" going for you? We're all waiting here for you to provide solid evidence that backs up your claims that an average LI teacher is pulling in just a tad over $60k. C'mon now, I know you can do it, and I'm sure you don't even need "weasel words" to do it.

[NHP Guy]

Originally Posted by SilverBulletZ06

And which private sector job is going to pay salaries of 60-130K + 20-25ish benefits and you only work 185 days per year?

He thinks LI cops are worth a million bucks, so it's pretty much hopeless to engage in a meaningful dialogue with this poster.

[Fastrudy]

Fastrudy - how is that "research" going for you? We're all waiting here for you to provide solid evidence that backs up your claims that an average LI teacher is pulling in just a tad over $60k. C'mon now, I know you can do it, and I'm sure you don't even need "weasel words" to do it.

I don't work for you.

[7CatMom]

Originally Posted by crv1010

7CatMom...could you provide us with the name(s) of of districts with reasonable salary increases or districts with reasonable teachers salaries?

By the way you never answered my question as to which district (s) do not provide payments to the teachers Union for prescriptions, eyeglasses, life insurance etc........

Sorry, I don't do research for other people wanting detailed information on school districts so they can twist the data into something "negative".

Suffice it to say I have had experience with a few districts and their negotiations, so I know of what I speak.

Changes take time. Since your websites are old information you won't see the positive outcomes in some district's newer contract negotiations. And most definitely, you won't see the give and take, the reasons behind how both sides got to the agreement they ended up with.