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Old 07-05-2010, 07:35 PM
 
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Again crv, not every district does this! The one that I have experience with does not pay into the trust fund for the teacher's dental etc. Please don't try to make what East Williston does into something general that all district's do.

7CatMon....once again name that district or are you just making things up? Should be very easy...you made a statement now back it up or you loose all credibility.
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Old 07-05-2010, 08:27 PM
 
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If enough residents of a school district get upset enough, they can vote in a school board with a backbone and cajones, and then there will be a new reality.
No, there will not be a change to the status quo anytime soon. EVERY SINGLE BUDGET ON LONG ISLAND PASSED! (10 after the second vote.)

In the "premier" districts like Jericho and East Williston, budgets passed.
In the more middle-class districts like Island Trees and Oceanside, budgets passed.
In the majority-minority districts like Hempstead, budgets passed.

All across Long Island, budgets passed. The reality is that we will continue to have these very high school taxes. The reality is that teachers have their lucrative pensions protected by the constitution of the state of New York.

The reality is that the situation won't change. So, my advice to upset Long Islanders is to either move to the other lovely parts of the country or to stop complaining because it's not a winnable battle. Frankly, even if budgets went on contingency, there would still have been a slight increase in taxes that, in many districts, would have been only slightly smaller than the approved increase.
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Old 07-05-2010, 08:50 PM
 
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No, there will not be a change to the status quo anytime soon.
That is unless more folks come out and vote, and vote in a new school board that does have a backbone and the cajones to do what needs to be done.

Currently, in most districts, the total vote is on the order of 5%, 6% or, maybe 7%.

If enough folks want to change what is happening, they can easily out vote the PTA vote.

Once folks realize that the first vote on next year's school district budget is this year's vote for school board member, then we'll see change.

Otherwise, we won't, and will continue current trends.
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Old 07-05-2010, 09:08 PM
 
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Oh Walter! You love to designate the different municipalities of Long Island. Do you really think that these separate entities will be willing to give up their LOCAL CONTROL of the schools? You are a dreamer!
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Old 07-05-2010, 09:29 PM
 
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Walter, how are you going to get more people to vote? You need money, organization, and an enduring message to get people to the polls. In 125 school districts, nobody was able to organize voters against the school district budgets or the status quo school board candidates. I'm sorry it is not happening.
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Old 07-06-2010, 07:10 AM
 
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Oh Walter! You love to designate the different municipalities of Long Island. Do you really think that these separate entities will be willing to give up their LOCAL CONTROL of the schools? You are a dreamer!

You are misinformed: school districts are independent local gov'ts, and are not under the control of any county, city, town or village.
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Old 07-06-2010, 07:14 AM
 
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Walter, how are you going to get more people to vote? You need money, organization, and an enduring message to get people to the polls. In 125 school districts, nobody was able to organize voters against the school district budgets or the status quo school board candidates. I'm sorry it is not happening.
The fact that it is not happening now does not mean that it can never happen.

All it might take is one school board in a single school district to change for the logjam preventing real change to be broken.
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Old 07-06-2010, 08:10 AM
 
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You are misinformed: school districts are independent local gov'ts, and are not under the control of any county, city, town or village.
Yes, that is true. But if a school district "closes up" and merge with a neighboring district (assume equal-sized), then the people in both districts now have 50% of the control they once had. Be careful what you wish for, Walter!
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Old 07-06-2010, 08:15 AM
 
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But if a school district "closes up" and merge with a neighboring district (assume equal-sized), then the people in both districts now have 50% of the control they once had. Be careful what you wish for, Walter!:shocked:
And, where exactly have I mentioned merging of any school districts?
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Old 07-06-2010, 08:17 AM
 
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But if a school district "closes up" and merge with a neighboring district (assume equal-sized), then the people in both districts now have 50% of the control they once had.
Some may view 50% control of something better than 100% control of nothing.
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