How much do you consider the San Fernando Valley part of the City of Los Angeles? (Glendale: theater, college)

[californio sur]

Originally Posted by matt345

To be fair, the Valley doesn't act like it really wants to be a part of LA either. Think about all the times that you'll see "Sherman Oaks, CA"; "Toluca Lake, CA"; "Valley Village, CA"; or "Tarzana, CA" on an address rather than Los Angeles, CA. This doesn't happen nearly as much over the hill; I've yet to see "Silverlake, CA" or "Koreatown, CA" on anybody's address.

Some areas within the city limits were, at one time, separate towns [ie. Eagle Rock] so they may retain their post office name. The fact that Los Angeles is incredibly spread out also is why certain regions use the city name and\ or local name. Hollywood, for example.

[impala666]

This area is real cool!!

YouTube - 1997 North Hollywood Shootout pt.1

[Lifeshadower]

Originally Posted by californio sur

Some areas within the city limits were, at one time, separate towns [ie. Eagle Rock] so they may retain their post office name. The fact that Los Angeles is incredibly spread out also is why certain regions use the city name and\ or local name. Hollywood, for example.

Yeah, that really isn't a Valley only thing.

Zip Codes by Community - Los Angeles County

http://www.city-data.com/zipmaps/Los...alifornia.html

Areas within red line: City of Los Angeles boundaries
Areas marked by zip codes: Zip codes that use "Los Angeles, CA" for addresses.

In addition to the San Fernando Valley, Pacific Palisades, Harbor Gateway, and San Pedro don't use "Los Angeles, CA" post offices either. However, the Valley is obviously the biggest area that doesn't use Los Angeles, CA either. You could also mail packages to "Hollywood, CA" with the right zip code and it would still get there.

However, this is the same in New York City as well.
http://www.city-data.com/zipmaps/New-York-New-York.html

First thing, on this map at least, Staten Island isn't within NYC boundaries (even though it is). Outside of Manhattan, you have to mail it to an address by borough (such as the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Staten Island). To make things even MORE confusing, if you're mailing something to Queens, you have to do it by specific area (Forest Hills, Flushing, Jamaica, Astoria, etc etc.).

However, you'd be hard pressed to find New Yorkers to deny that the outer boroughs aren't part of NYC (except for maybe Staten Island, only because it does have way more common with suburban New Jersey. I mean, my friends at Brooklyn Tech always asked me if I had friends who went to school in NJ) as much as Angelenos over the hill deny that the Valley, or 1/3rd of Los Angeles' population, isn't part of LA.

Honestly though, growing up in the Valley, whenever you said "I'm going into LA", it almost ALWAYS referred to Downtown and the neighborhoods around it. Everywhere else was also referred to by neighborhood/community name (Hollywood, Westwood, Venice, San Pedro, South Central, etc etc.)

[nickdahammer]

Well, it cuts both ways. When El Camino Real HS won the academic decathlon, the announcement stated that they hailed from Woodland Hills, California. It would sure be nice to hear 'Los Angeles' get some cred for academic achievement. And yes, Matt, I think the Valley prefers to disown us when its convenient for them to do so. It's a shame we can't all share the glory.

[hsw]

In era of Net, mobile computing and globalization, archaic city/suburb/state/national boundaries or Luddite CBDs like DLA mean very, very little, as money, businesses and jobs can easily be managed virtually and moved across borders to more efficient places

Many of world's most valuable companies can be run by a few smart guys sitting in their home offices in leafy suburbs like Woodside or Brentwood, working on their iPads...or from nondescript office bldgs in Cupertino or MenloPk or CenturyCity or SM

Any major, economically relevant urban region today is fairly amorphous, decentralized and suburbanized w/a few economic epicenters and a few nearby residential epicenters (for those who can afford to reside in them)...LA is the pioneer of this growth model and SiliconValley is arguably world's most powerful, most innovative economic region, yet quintessential car-centric suburban sprawl w/no defined center or precise boundaries: very LA-like, as are Dallas and Houston

However, the top 1% of taxpayers tend to cluster in a few corridors in any major urban region, usually in places w/better natural scenery, weather and air quality...and convenience to amenities of daily life...suspect many of top 1% of taxpayers in LA region almost never have need to drive on freeways to nowhere...and wonder what are all the complaints about traffic congestion...

[Charles]

Originally Posted by hsw

suspect many of top 1% of taxpayers in LA region almost never have need to drive on freeways to nowhere...and wonder what are all the complaints about traffic congestion...

Perhaps so; but the other 99% of taxpayers in LA region do have to drive the freeways.

[MichaelS3352]

Originally Posted by nickdahammer

Well, it cuts both ways. When El Camino Real HS won the academic decathlon, the announcement stated that they hailed from Woodland Hills, California. It would sure be nice to hear 'Los Angeles' get some cred for academic achievement. And yes, Matt, I think the Valley prefers to disown us when its convenient for them to do so. It's a shame we can't all share the glory.

Hi, I live in Tarzana (south of Ventura Blvd. LOL), and I think one needs to be cognizant of the fact that Los Angeles is a megalopolis, a mega city, bigger than most other "ordinary" cities will ever be. It really is that massive. Hence I include the entire metro area in my definition, from Calabasas through the San Gabriel Valley, from Sylmar to Huntington Beach, with all the sunkissed variety and contrast it has to offer, all the cultural excitement and hipsterness that sets the trends for the rest of the U.S. and much of the world--and, admittedly, all the traffic, smog, and outrageous prices.

Anyway that's my 2c.

[californio sur]

Another area many don't even realize is in the city limits of Los Angeles is Harbor City, Wilmington and San Pedro [probably 20 miles south of the San Fernando valley].

[LABornandRaised]

I know exactly what the OP means. Even my own city council member who encompasses Silver Lake, Miracle Mile, Toluca Lake and NoHo Arts District focuses most of his energies on the "LA" side rather than the Valley side. Go to his website and you'll see 3/4 of his efforts are south of the hill.

www.tomlabonge.com

The Valley neighborhoods should have their own council members instead of this shared bologna. You know who the council members are going to favor. They're probably putting more investment on the LA side just in case the Valley finally decides to seceed from LA and they won't feel like they put unnecessary money over here. In the meantime, the area suffers.

[MichaelS3352]

Hi LABorn, you wrote:

The Valley neighborhoods should have their own council members instead of this shared bologna. You know who the council members are going to favor. They're probably putting more investment on the LA side just in case the Valley finally decides to seceed from LA and they won't feel like they put unnecessary money over here. In the meantime, the area suffers.

'The Cog' is aiming to become vital part - LA Daily News

one possible result (well, the COG came into existence this year, and construction on the VPAC started last year but things seem to be picking up, you seem to live in NOHO/Studio City and that's growing):

http://www.dailynews.com/ci_15572820....dailynews.com

and I'm pretty sure that roads will be repaired more often, public transportation will improve, etc. I think the secession movement kinda threw the fright into those at City Hall.

In the meantime, we can all get off our behinds, study the issues, and increase the turnouts at municipal elections. The "present state of things" need not be.