If L.A. is "fake" then what cities are "real"? (San Francisco: schools, restaurants)

[Fontucky]

I see NYC like I see Oregon: A wonderful place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

I see NYC like I see Oregon: A wonderful place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

Same here.

[thespian666]

Originally Posted by LUCIFER#666

Glad to read that you were able to get out of LA & see other cities.

No offense, but many CA students are enrolling out of state universities due to the free tuition for illegal immigrants.

How sad for CA taxpayers to foot in the bill.

No. There is no free tuition for illegal immigrants here. If you are talking about access to Cal grants (which has seriously diminished) or BOG waiver for community college, that's still not free...it's just less $$$; and especially needed now that CA has increased tuition over 200% in less than 10 years. One must prove CA residency just not US residency. This would allow children (of illegal immigrants) who crossed the border when they were young (like say 3 or 6 or whatever) and have grown up in the public school system to go to college like every other CA high school graduate is allowed to.

By all means, if you prefer they not have access to higher education, maybe you could drive to Pacoima or San Fernando or Boyle Heights and have a sit down with the locals about there abundance of lazy, stay-at-home free-loading peasants.

If only there was a way to allow for the next generation to better themselves. Hmmmm.

[LUCIFER#666]

Originally Posted by Tiger Beer

Can you quote a source that says CA students are enrolling out of state for that reason? That's the most illogical thing I've heard this year.

Go read #313 comment by thespian666.

But overall the CA taxpayers will have to folk in the bill!

[LUCIFER#666]

Originally Posted by thespian666

No. There is no free tuition for illegal immigrants here. If you are talking about access to Cal grants (which has seriously diminished) or BOG waiver for community college, that's still not free...it's just less $$$; and especially needed now that CA has increased tuition over 200% in less than 10 years. One must prove CA residency just not US residency. This would allow children (of illegal immigrants) who crossed the border when they were young (like say 3 or 6 or whatever) and have grown up in the public school system to go to college like every other CA high school graduate is allowed to.

By all means, if you prefer they not have access to higher education, maybe you could drive to Pacoima or San Fernando or Boyle Heights and have a sit down with the locals about there abundance of lazy, stay-at-home free-loading peasants.

If only there was a way to allow for the next generation to better themselves. Hmmmm.

Okay & thanks for the info,

So is the rest of the US to raise tuition & fees at any 2-yr junior college & 4-yr university.

We shall see how this will turn out.

If not, then it will all go to the CA residents.

[UrbanAdventurer]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

I don't hate NYC at all, in fact I've loved it for a long time. It's just, it seems like I would get flak for saying that I like LA over NYC. People make NYC out to look like its the ultimate city that can't be matched. I've visited several times and practically lived there at one point but now I see it as an undesirable place to live since I've experienced LA.

Los Angeles just has it all.

Exactly. I never said I didn't like it either, just blathering some of my harsher observations of the place. There's plenty of legitimate gripes with NY once you turn off the hype machine and take the rose colored glasses off. Paradise it ain't.

[aboveordinary]

The people that follow the negative stereotypes of L.A. and Southern California about being fake and superficial are usually transplants from other places in my experience. Many people move here and feed into the stereotypes. The natives are laid back and real.

[LUCIFER#666]

Originally Posted by aboveordinary

The people that follow the negative stereotypes of L.A. and Southern California about being fake and superficial are usually transplants from other places in my experience. Many people move here and feed into the stereotypes. The natives are laid back and real.

"SO YOU CLAIM?" - ALI G.

The natives are no different from the transplants to act in this manner. I was born in LA & I was raised in the SF Valley until I graduated HS in the late 1990s. When I returned last summer '13 in LA to visit my old man aka dad, who is still fighting cancer for a couple days. YES, I seen a lot of changes for LA to finally rebuild its DT area & expand its subway system (maybe after 2020 to be completed). However I got to interact with the locals to think the same old laid back (not change my intelligence to gain wisdom, & why bother to travel other places) & real (keep it real after I graduated HS & nothing more) to be shallow. The places where I was at DTLA, K-Town, Hollywood, Santa Monica, & Studio City. My socialization was at the beach/pier, bars, cafes, & restaurants. It's funny, when I told the locals that I was an ex-Angelino to live in NYC. The locals replied, "We don't want you here, take your tough EC crap with you, or why do you want to live in the cold." I didn't reply & I just moved on my way. My travel in LA wasn't to mingle with the locals, but I went to visit my dad's poor health. Overall I don't regret at all not to live in LA anymore.

[dethwulf_Zero]

Originally Posted by LUCIFER#666

However I got to interact with the locals to think the same old laid back (not change my intelligence to gain wisdom, & why bother to travel other places) & real (keep it real after I graduated HS & nothing more) to be shallow.

I think there's an even mix of native folks, somewhat. I grew up in South LA, then lived in Van Nuys, went to high school in the Palisades - just mentioning this as a sort of frame of reference.

In regards to wanting to go out and see the world, well, most kids I met wanted to. Only difference between them and me was that most of them were rich to, haha. Many of them would visit San Francisco, Vancouver, NYC, London, Paris, Tehran, Israel, Hong Kong, Holland, Japan, etc. And they'd come back and tell me how awesome everywhere else is, how much L.A. might have its problems...but beyond that, most of them still preferred living in L.A. to anywhere else. Granted, I never asked them why, as I felt the same way, so it sort of felt like common sense And for the few friends I know who decided to move away for good, it was mostly because they wanted a change of pace - which also seemed like a very reasonable thing to me, as, I mean, how often does every teen stay in the place they grew up?

So as of now, even though I'm in Denver, I already know another friend of mine is down south in...well, still here in CO, just can't remember the city xP Most went to schools scattered through the west coast, mostly in SoCal or in Washington (kind of interesting, if you ask me). A handful went out east. I figure that at some point, when we're all said 'n done with college, maybe about half of them will move back, who knows. I only know I'd like to

I know who I wouldn't want to move back, though. The a**holes! There was a fair share of them, and most of them went to school out east, so, good for them

[radiolibre99]

For the most part the average working to middle class Angeleno is very down to earth and friendly. The rich in LA are a bit uppity and can be insufferable. You can meet some real hoity toity folks in LA.

Transplants that move here and act Hollywood are the worst people on the planet. Sometimes I do get annoyed by the overbearing geekdom of some of the transplants too.