06-27-2010, 04:20 PM
Location: SoCal
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I agree. Great post!
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I think there are many definitions of "fake" and in a place as diverse and massive as L.A. one can find examples that will fit each one of those definitions.
For folks who define fake as obsession over brands and material things, sure there are Angelenos who argue about DC vs Vans; Louis Vuitton vs. Gucci; Rolex vs. Omega. But what about people who fight over Chevy vs Ford vs Mopar ("friends don't let friends drive a Ford"), Snap-On vs Craftsman, Bud vs Coors or Smith & Wesson vs Colt? What about people who spend hours arguing over sports teams? I've only known a few people who've owned Porsches or Ferraris but these guys really, really loved their cars. They would have bought them regardless of what anyone else thinks of them—they weren't a status symbol.
Some people think celebrity or fame is a sign of fakeness. Maybe, but for a lot of people in entertainment, their career requires fame. If they aren't in the audience's consciousness, they're out of a job. The problem is that many people won't go to a movie or see a band unless it has someone famous in it, regardless of merit. It'd be nice if that wasn't the case but whatcha gonna do? I often read that L.A. is celebrity-obsessed but are the tabloids and celebrity programs like TMZ only shown and only popular in L.A.? I suspect that they are popular all over the country.
Another sign of fakery seems to be the interest in new things: yoga (really? it's been in the U.S. for decades if not close to a century), pilates, green-tech, sushi, etc. Major cities and maybe the west coast in particular tends to invent, accept and adopt new things so I guess it's foregone that at any one time, more people here will be experimenting with or partaking of these new things. But you know what? Many of these people enjoy the new things they're doing or putting down their gullet. If someone likes to try new things and actually likes it, what's so fake about that?
Different subcultures have their own set of dress, jargon and behavior: air-kissing theater kids vs spitting baseball players. I don't fit into either group and some of their behaviors probably elicit an eyeroll from me, but, fake? I doubt it.
I guess for me, the most basic definition of fake is to pretend to be what one is not. What about the atheist or Wiccan or gay/transgendered person who has to pretend to be a Christian or straight in some of the places being touted as "real" vs being comfortably open about it in a place like L.A.?
06-27-2010, 08:03 PM
Location: Anniston, AL
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Wow this thread blew up! I'd like to say that I live in the middle of Alabama in a very rural area in what the Fox News crowd calls the "real" America. As far as cellphones, flaunting money, tricked out cars, and vapid celebrity obsessed culture, well we've got that in heaps here, too.
06-27-2010, 10:08 PM
Location: Metro Phoenix
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I also don't really understand the rationale behind labelling someone in LA and wears designer sunglasses, has Louis Vuitton luggage the only use once a year, and drives a BMW M3 that never sees a racetrack is automatically FAKE and worthy of ridicule and derision, when a guy who wears a Tapout shirt but doesn't do MMA, owns multiple tactical-grade firearms but has never been in the military let alone a gunfight and lives in a middle American suburb with no crime, and drives a Silverado thats lifted and sits on 32-inch swampers that never sees dirt is "legit."
This whole "real American/fake American" crap is just that: crap.
06-27-2010, 11:25 PM
Location: Pasadena
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I also don't really understand the rationale behind labelling someone in LA and wears designer sunglasses, has Louis Vuitton luggage the only use once a year, and drives a BMW M3 that never sees a racetrack is automatically FAKE and worthy of ridicule and derision, when a guy who wears a Tapout shirt but doesn't do MMA, owns multiple tactical-grade firearms but has never been in the military let alone a gunfight and lives in a middle American suburb with no crime, and drives a Silverado thats lifted and sits on 32-inch swampers that never sees dirt is "legit."
This whole "real American/fake American" crap is just that: crap.
Touche!
This entire thread is so misleading and fraught with distortions and ridiculous assumptions. All of a sudden, living in a mundane city like Baltimore [someone used Baltimore as an example but we can easily use almost every large city] as being a "real" city with "real" people and therefore better than Los Angeles. Who says? And who wants to live in Baltimore or most American cities in the East\ Midwest\ South? I'm sure these cities are charming in their own way but probably not near as interesting as Los Angeles. None of this makes sense and is an excuse for out-of-state yokels to slam LA and California [something that they do almost every day
06-28-2010, 12:10 AM
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Anything of physical matter is real to me.
06-28-2010, 01:29 AM
Location: Anniston, AL
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I also don't really understand the rationale behind labelling someone in LA and wears designer sunglasses, has Louis Vuitton luggage the only use once a year, and drives a BMW M3 that never sees a racetrack is automatically FAKE and worthy of ridicule and derision, when a guy who wears a Tapout shirt but doesn't do MMA, owns multiple tactical-grade firearms but has never been in the military let alone a gunfight and lives in a middle American suburb with no crime, and drives a Silverado thats lifted and sits on 32-inch swampers that never sees dirt is "legit."
This whole "real American/fake American" crap is just that: crap.
Bravo!
06-28-2010, 02:50 AM
Location: Malibu/Miami Beach
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Let's hear it for cynicism
Lets hear it for Caltrans.
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06-28-2010, 07:20 AM
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Annoying grammar note: When you quote a word within a sentence that is followed by punctuation it goes within the quotation marks. I.e: If L.A. is "fake" then what cities are "real?"
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I'd be a little more certain before being so cockily wrong next time.
06-28-2010, 08:19 AM
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None of this makes sense and is an excuse for out-of-state yokels to slam LA and California [something that they do almost every day
Absolutely. I live in Chicago. If you define 'fake' as materialistic, pretentious, stuck-up, celeb-obsessed, etc... then you can find plenty of fake people here depending on the neighborhood. I will not be specific, but anyone who has an idea about Chicago could name a couple hoods that I am thinking of
I find that people who live here, and call LA fake... those are the same people that hate LA. Saying the culture out there is fake, well of course that's just the easiest slam for them to employ and feel like they got the last word (which, in the windy city... is of course what it's all about).
Like Mattslf said... anything of physical matter is real to me. I love LA, and the times I have visited I often think "Holy sh** this is real?!"
06-28-2010, 01:30 PM
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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"the industry" does not represent LA or the level of "realness" in LA. if you think so, you are very wrong. basing your opinions on a small section of the city is equally ridiculous. there is more to LA than what pampered kids think they see...
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People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)