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| Do you personally earn over $110,000.00 per annum- YES |
   
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06-18-2006, 09:37 PM
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Pt. 2 of L.A. gangs:
NORTH EAST LA TOONERVILLE, GLENDALE-ATWATER-TUJUNGA:JOKERS, LOS CRAZY VAGOS, NIGHT OWLS, LOMITA ST LOCOS, CHEVY CHASE PARK LOCOS, ATWATER LOCOS, DUKES, TOKERS, TINY LOCOS, YOUNGSTERS WS THEE RASCALS, ATWATER AVENUES AVENIDAS, EAGLE ROCK- HIGHLAND PARK- CYPRESS PARK- GLASSELL PARK- MT. WASHINGTON: CYPRESS CHICOS-ASESINOS-DREW ST, 43RD AVE, 50AVE, 60AVE, CYCLONES, NIGHT OWLS HIGHLAND PARK CYPRESS PARK GLASSELL PARK VARRIO NORTH EAST LOS ANGELES EAST SIDE CLOVER, LINCOLN HEIGHTS LINCOLN HEIGHTS ROSE HILLS, MONTECITO HEIGHTS HAPPY VALLEY EL SERENO LOCKE STREET ESR EL SERENO RIFA LOWELL ST EAST SIDE EIGHTEEN STREET HAZARDS EAGLE ROCK TINY WINOS TRES CANTOS FADED BOYZ MISCELLANEOUS:SURENOS, BOLAS, ATWATER VILLAGE EAST LOS ANGELES EAST SIDE WHITE FENCE: THE HOLES MARAVILLA:HOLLO, MARRIANA, FORD, GAGE, ARIZONA, JUAREZ, RASCAL,FRASER, HIGH TIMES, POMEROY, LOTT, MOERAYA,PROJECTS,LOPEZ, ROCKA EVERGREEN ST MICHIGAN AVE CRIMINAL/CHICANO FORCE:EAST SIDE 1ST ST, SOUTH SIDE VARRIO NUEVO ESTRADA: THE COURTS, VILLAINS, LOCOS EAST LOS 13 GERAGHTY LOMA:ROCKWOODST LOMAS YOUNG BOYS RIFA THE LOTT LORENA STATE STREET BREED ST LAGUNA PARK VIKINGS EAST SIDE KRAZIES LIL VALLEY HAPPY VALLEY LIL EAST SIDE INDIANA DUKES CHOPPERS12 STONERS, BOYLE HEIGHTS BOYLE HEIGHTS AL CAPONE PRIMERA FLATS:ES CUATRO FLATS 8TH ST CRAZY DOGS EAST LA RIFA CLARENCE ST WINTER GARDENS ES THE MOB CREW CITY TERRACE SENTINEL ES SS VICKEYSTOWN AVE OXFORD BOYZ 21ST MALDITOS HICKS ST OPAL STREET CENTRAL LA/WEST LA FROGTOWN RIVERSIDE ECHO PARK WS CRAZIES: MAYBERRY ST LOCOS LA MIRADA ST LOCOS DESCANSO TINY WINOS BARRIO SILVER LAKE WS AZTLAN BIG TOP LOCOS WS TEMPLE STREET DIAMOND ST WS ROCKWOOD ST HEAD HUNTERS WSXV3ST:HOOVER LOCOS, COLUMBIA LIL CYCOS, SHATOO PARK, COLUMBIA TINY LOCOS, HOLLYWOOD GANGSTERS, DIABLOS, LOCOS, PEEWEES, PICO LOCOS, BROADWAY 54TH ST TLS, SMILY DRIVE, ALSACE AVE, HAWTHORNE CRIMINALS,7TH BROADWAY GANGSTERS, KING BOULEVARD BOYS DOGTOWN, CHINATOWN-HIGHLAND PARK-GARDENA 5TH&HILL WS MARA SALVATRUCHA: LEEWARD, WITMER ST, ADAMS, PARK VIEW LOCOS, 9TH ST, CORNONADO, HOLLYWOOD LOCOS, PASADENA LOCOS CRAZY RIDERS ORPHANS WANDERERS WS CLANTON 14TH ST  UKES, JOKERS, TINY LOCOS, PEEWEES, MIDGETS, LOCOS, CUT DOWNS,25TH ST CARNALES,WS SS75TH ST WEST SIDE WHITE FENCE WS THE MAGICIANS CLUB VIRGINIA ST LOCOS WS PLAYBOYS DRIFTERS EASY RIDERS 
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06-18-2006, 09:40 PM
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Pt. 3 of L.A. gangs:
WEST LA REBELS WEST SIDE LOCOS ALKOHILIC BOYS ALLEY BOYS WS ALLEY LOCOS SOTEL CULVER CITY BOYZ VENICE BOYS SANTA MONICA 17TH ST STREET VILLAINS CYCLONES, LOCOS, TOKERS INVASIONEROS LENNOX:HOLLYWOOD BANDITS, LAX LOCOS TEPAS INGLEWOOD WS CRIMINALS 99ST HELM ST SOUTH CENTRAL LA, WS, SS, ES HARPYS DEAD END:5TH AVE,27, 25TLS, WILD BUNCH, JULLITTE ST BOYS, GRANADA HILLS TINY INSANE KRIMINALS ALLEY TINY CRIMINALS:TOKERS, SPOOKY LANES,KING BOULEVARD LOKOS, KING PARQUE, 37ST WS PRIMERA FLATS SC18ST MID CITY:STONERS, LOCOS, HOBART GRANDES,33ST, PALMDALE LOCOS, OCEAN PACIFIC LS, LIL CRIMINALS, KINGSLEY DRIVE CRENSHAW LOCOS, CRIMINALS,LONG BEACH LOCOS 22ND ST:ES SS GHETTO BOYZ:ESSC 27ST,LONG BEACH 15TH ST 38TH ST:ES SS 42 ST LIL CRIMINALS 40THST WASHINGTON BOYS SOUTHXLOS 36ST ES, WS, SS PLAYBOYS DUKES, CHICOS LOKOS, CHICOS MALOS, 49ST CYCLONES STREET SAINTS DUKES MOJADOS ES CLANTON 14TH ST 21ST ST MUERTOS 102ND SOUTH SIDE FLORENCIA: NEIGHBORHOOD DUKES, KILLERS, LOCOS WS SS, 85TH ST, 90TH ST EAZY BOYS, 68ST, 66ST, 75TH ST, MALDITOS, TOKERS, NIGHT OWLS, DREAM BOYZ, TERMITES, 64ST, MALOS 80TH ST BARRIO 13 CHICOS COMPTON THUG LIFE 88TH ST DISGUSTO LA RAZA:WS SS KRAZY ASS MEXICANS MEXICAN KLAN HANG OUT BOYZ ES 55 BUNCH 29ST 35ST 39ST 36ST SOUTH EAST LA, HARBOR AREA HUNTINGTON PARK LOCOS LIVE OAK ST CUDAHY 13 CLARA ST MAYWOOD LOCOS UNSTOPABLE MEXICAN KINGS GARDEN VIEW LOCOS ORCHARD ST BAD ASS YOUNGSTERS SOUTH SIDE PLAYERZ KANSAS ST DOGPATCH EAST SIDE PARAMOUNT PARAMOUNT AVENUES SOUTH SIDE XVIII ST:ENANOS LOCOS DEF BOYZ COLONIAL WATTS BIG WATTS SSWATTS HICKORY ST WATTS VICTORIA PARQUE LOCOS ES LAKEWOOD SARZANA VARRIO LA MIRADA: DEAD ENDS, CUT-DOWNS, DUKES, GRANDES LIL WATTS WATTS VARRIO GRAPE STREET WATTS VARRIO FRONT STREET COMTON VARRIO LA TRES 133ST COMPTON VARRIO LA CINCO 155ST CV 70ST CV TORTILLA FLATS CV132 CV118 CV TOKERS COMTON LOCOS CV LARGO AND 36TH CV 119 CV117 CV ALONDRA CV SEGUNDO LYNWOOD VARRIO SEGUNDO LYNWOOD PARAGONS LWV CRAZY CATS LWDV TRAVIESOS HARBOR CITY VARRIO CENTRO TORRANCE NORTH SIDE REDONDO KEYSTONE BEAR ST LOS NIETOS RIFA BROOK AVE LS ES 6ST LONGBEACH ES9ST LOS COMPADRES VARRIO 3 WATTS ORANGE ST LOCOS NWK DEATH CROWD LOCOS SOUTH GATE LOCOS WEST SIDE WILMAS:CST EAST SIDE WILMAS:LST RANCHO SAN PEDRO SAN PEDRO PARK WEST LOMAS 102ND ST THE BRATZ LIL BOYS DOMINGUEZ VALLEY WEST SIDE LONGO EAST SIDE LONGO BARRIO POBRE NS LONGO HAWAIIAN GARDENS VARRIO NORWALK ONE WAYS, DUKES, NIGHTOWLS,LOCOS LA RANA VICRORIA PARK NIGHT OWLS CHIVAS ARTESIA ARTESIA BROWN TRIBE SSLAKEWOOD PEACEFULL VARRIO NORWALK FAMILIA CLICA LOS PRIMOS 204ST,PEEWEES CATSKILL ST LOCOS ES TORRANCE, DIABLOS, LIL RASKALS CANTA RANAS HARBOR LOMAS LAWNDALE GARDENA:WS,ES CARSON
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06-18-2006, 09:43 PM
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Pt. 4 of L.A. gangs, including the San Gabriel area with some O.C.
SAN GABRIEL VALLEY VARRIO PASA RIFA NS PASA VILLA BOYS PASA KRAZY BOYS PASA PASA LATIN KINGS SS PASA ES DUARTE SAN DIMAS COLONIA PARQUE, LOCOS CHICOS WEST COVINA EAST SIDE DUKES POMONA 12TH ST:SHARKIES VARRIO MONROVIA CHERYVILLE SSPOMONA NSPOMONA POMONA MICHOACANOS BOLEN PARK:NS ES QUIET VILLAGE WHITTIER DEAD END LOCOS ROOKS TOWN SS WHITTIER WHITTIER VILLAGE JIM TOWN PICO NUEVO PICO VIEJO PICO LOCOS RIVERA JARDIN 13 ES KING KOBRAS LA PUENTE HACIENDA HEIGHTS LIL HILL SANGRA CHICOS EL MONTE FLORES EL MONTE HICKS SS EL MONTE EL MONTE HAYES ST NS EL MONTE BARTLETT ST LIL HILL HACIENDAXHEIGHTS VALINDA FLATS BASSET NIGHT OWLS TEMPLE CITY WS WALNUT CLAREMONT TOWNSEMEN- LA PUENTE HACIENDA HEIGHTS LIL HILL GANG PUENTE TRECE TINFLANES NORTH LA COUNTY, 661 AREA CODE EAST SIDE PASILLO NUEVO, NEWHALL:ALLEY CATS, EIGHT BALL BOYS, LOCOS, TINY LOCOS, RASCALS, YOUNGSTERS, PEEWEES SOUTH SIDE CRIMINALS WEST SIDE LANCAS CRAZY MEXICAN FAMILIA WS VAL VERDE PARQUE 13 SMOKE TOWN,TINY LOCOS, MALDITOS PALMAS13 DEADLY MINDS, CREATORS, YOUNGSTERS, KINGS BARRIO CANYONES, LOCOS,STRANGERS, PLAYGIRLS ORANGE COUNTY FULLERTON TOKERS TOWN LA HABRA CAMPO 13 WS LA HABRA FULLERTON SUICIDAL GANG MONOS ANAHEIM JUNGLE CITY ANAHEIM PENGUIN CITY ANAHEIM JEFFREY STANAHEIM LATIN BOYS FXTROOP SANTA ANA 5TH ST, BROOK STREET, HIGHLAND COSTA MESA MALOS GANG WS ANAHEIM LA FABRICA ANAHEIM DRIFTERS CITRON STREET PAULINE ST LA UNA ANAHEIM COLONIA BOYS GANG SANTA ANA DRIFTERS LOGAN ANAHEIM FOLKS DEVIOUS HOODLUMS BROWN NATION BARRIO WALNUT DOWN FAMILIA WICKED SOLDIERS ANAHEIM PACIFIC ANAHEIM BARRIO SMALL TOWN LITTLE HOOD SANTA ANA COSTA MESA MIDWAY CITY LOCOS BIG STANTON CROW VILLAGE BUENA CLINTON WEST MYRTAL ALLEY BOYS COMPADRES OC CRIMINALS ANAHEIM UNDER HILL SOUTH SIDE HUNTINGTON BEACH ALLEY LOCOS CHERRY STREET BAKER STREET BOYZ SOUTH SIDE KRIMINALS HEAD HUNTERS GARDEN GROVE HARD TIMES ANAHEIM TRAVELERS BUENA PARQUE LOS COYOTES EVIL KIDS SANTA ANA ANAHEIM VERMONT ST ES FULLERTON ES 19ST COSTA MESA WS VARRIO FORMING KAOS COSTA MESA UNITED BY CRIME
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06-18-2006, 10:54 PM
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I've heard that the HARDCORE FREAKS and the CRAZY ALLEY GANGSTERS are actually very sweet, once you get to know them...
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06-20-2006, 01:29 AM
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Great that you're leaving.
Tired of this nerdy victim status.
Like B.H, Bel Air, Westwood and their mansions are populated with illegals, what an insane comment to imply that the poor have it the better here. It is them who fall victim to crime and violence overwhelmingly, not the more economically well-off, who can't stop blaming other groups for their failure to find satisfaction in their lives. It's too bad that you can't find your happiness, but frankly, implying that people in Boyle Heights, McArthur park, Watts and Inglewood are more spoiled than the the average complainer on the Westside is a lie. It's just a victimhood blamegame. Or, if the gangs and the poor have it so much better here, why not become one of them rather than relocating? I think many poor already have enough of problems, and shouldn't have to be blamed for other's misfortunes on top of it. Last edited by losangeles-metro; 06-20-2006 at 01:38 AM.
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06-20-2006, 02:32 AM
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I think you forgot --
Brentwood Boyz Beeches de Beverly Hills Palisades Papas...and the ever popular Holmby Homies I've lived here all my life, own a home and love it here despite it's faults, nowhere else can equal L.A..
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06-20-2006, 08:55 PM
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Had you bothered to read further than the first post in this thread, you'd have seen all of the subsequent posts by others agreeing with her, photos of our neighborhoods, and various anecdotes of the same kinds of trouble she describes. What about all those other people in this thread who agree with her? Are they all hallucinating too? Come on now. In order to respond intelligently, read through the whole thread so you know what you are responding to before you post. Then if you still disagree, once again I say stop putting people down and present some facts and figures. How much were you paying in rent? How much were you earning? What was the median price for housing in your area? Did you ever see gang members in your neighborhood? Did you ever have any problems with crime? Don't attack people, be an adult -- make your statements and back them up. Lastly, please keep in mind that what you consider "not rich" and what most people consider "not rich" may be two entirely different things. That's why facts and figures are much more effective at making a point here. Last edited by Ms.Phitt; 06-20-2006 at 08:59 PM.
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06-21-2006, 11:08 PM
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1) Just an aside. You can buy a nice brand new 1800 sq foot home in a nice neighbrorhood, just outside of downtown Sacramento for the same price as an old dilapidated home in the middle of Compton. 2) A married couple with two college degrees would struggle to buy a home in COMPTON if they are coming from out of state. How sad is that? Its pathetic. I completely agree with you and fast film in that regard. I think that LA is nice if you are upper middle class, or a couple with two advanced degrees in high paying fields with 5 years experience. You dont have to be ultra wealthy (e.g. banker or surgeon) in my opinion to enjoy LA. I will add this. It would be EXTREMELY hard to buy a one bedroom condo anywhere in SF bay area for the price of a house in compton. Yeah, the SF Bay area is safer than LA, but you also dont have the optoin of being middle class.
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06-22-2006, 11:19 PM
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Thank you, Jlrobe. These things are exactly what a lot of us here have been trying to explain.
For those of you who keep insisting we're all exaggerating, I got the following information from Frommer's Cities Ranked and Rated (2004), which uses respected sources of information like the U.S. Census, U.S. Office of Management and Budget, and the National Association of Realtors. This data is 2-4 years old, but you can certainly use it to get a basic idea of current conditions. L.A. ranked 20th worst in the nation for average income vs. cost of living, out of 331 U.S. metropolitan areas evaluated. (FYI, over half the cities ranking worse than that are also in California.) With the average person's income at about $23,000 and the average (mostly 2-income) household income about $50,000, but the average price of a home at $304,600 and a decent one costing much more, you can see why only 39% of the people own homes here as opposed to the 54.5% national average. Average rent not much better at over $1,000/month. Moreover, L.A. was also 20th worst for projected future job growth, at 6.2% over 7 years (0.9% per year) - even while the population continued to increase by 3% between 2000-2002 (1.5% per year). It doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that if the population keeps growing at almost twice the rate of employment, there's a serious problem here. Given the decreasing ability to find employment and the skyrocketing of housing costs since that study came out, what do you think the odds are that average people will find jobs that pay enough to make a decent living, much less buy a house? On the ranking of best places to live, L.A. was an unimpressive 54, and would have ranked significantly lower except for the climate and the fact that there are lots of great things to do here *if* you can afford it. Despite recent efforts which have helped the air quality somewhat, L.A.'s air quality is the #1 worst in the nation, hands down... so much so that only 2 other cities even come within 50% of the pollution levels here. L.A. ranked the 3rd most crowded, 10th highest violent crime, and "dishonorable mention" for its urban sprawl. On a 100-point scale, 100 being best, L.A. a got a score of 5 for cost of living, 3 for health and healthcare, and a mediocre 57 for general quality of life. It also describes how L.A. used to be a wonderful place overall in the 1950's but has slid downhill badly since; it warns that if you don't have "extensive" financial resources the decent areas are pretty much "inaccessible" and people with average financial means are better off to "look elsewhere" or they will face "the full impact" of the problems here; it describes a thick brown cloud over the city for most of the year, "extreme" traffic problems, and every available scrap of land crammed with as much development as possible. All the same things FastFilm and others have been telling everyone. Or maybe the U.S. government, researchers and realtors are also "grossly exaggerating," so that FastFilm and the rest of us can all push our hidden anti-L.A. agenda here. 
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06-23-2006, 02:53 PM
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I keep hearing the same statement over and over again, "So, if you didn't buy into neighborhood X with prop X artificially locking down your property taxes at such & such a time in the past you're s__ out of luck". I'm not talking about living high, I'm talking about living Cali middle class. Doesn't matter if you've got that graduate degree or if you're a couple of DINKs with decent salaries - it's tough out there to have the basics - home in decent area, healthy groceries, decent healthcare, savings for the kids education & retirement accounts of substance for some imaginary time in the future when the two of you will join other retired couples to the life of easy living. It's all highly unlikely. I wonder how many dyed-in-the-wool optimists are posting here and elsewhere who are themselves in line for a nice piece of inherited wealth from mums & pop, uncle & auntee, and/or gramps & granny. I wonder because of some of the pie-in-the-sky stuff folks say here and elsewhere - do you have the courage of your convictions from some other source than just faith & a decent job(s)? Does it erk anyone else to see how the widening gap between the wealthy comfortable and the average schlub out there is increasing, and how political decisions are being passed into law to further enrich the same. Does anyone see the crocodille tears over the estate tax with either party? Who are the ones with real wealth to protect. Other than some posturing, where are the political challenges for average Jane or Joe? Send them off to protect the interests of the rich, but provide them a safety net? Are the tightening bankruptcy laws really just about the average Joe trying to abuse the system, or is there something more ominous behind some of this legislation?
Mexicans have a tough place in their native land, the monied interests, the corruption, the lack of decent jobs, etc. has been driving them north for a long time. Talk to any Mexican and they understand the disparity between the haves and have nots, and the great middle that doesn't really exist. Will the Mexican exodus from Mexico be sometime in the future followed by a similar exodus of Californians from California? It's already slowly moving in that direction - no? Is most of Cali just destined to become a state of the wealthy and their support network? Just tossing it out there. I keep hearing the same golden stater statement over and over again, "So, if you didn't buy into neighborhood X with the prop locking down your prop taxes at such & such a time in the past you're s__ out of luck". I'm not talking about living high, I'm talking about living Cali middle class. Doesn't matter if you've got that graduate degree or if you're a couple of DINKs with decent salaries - it's tough out there to have the basics - home in decent area, regular purchase of healthy foods, decent healthcare, savings for the kids education & retirement accounts of substance for some imaginary time in the future when the two of you will join other retired couples to the life of easy living. It's all highly unlikely. I wonder how many dyed-in-the-wool optimists are posting here and elsewhere who are themselves in line for a nice piece of inherited wealth from mums & pop, uncle & auntee, and/or gramps & granny. When I worked in La La land I saw my share of silver spoon people. Hec, there's an entertainment industry and ancillary businesses out there with artifically high paying jobs - not reality for the other vast masses of Californians. I wonder because of some of the pie-in-the-sky stuff folks say - you must have the comfort of your conviction from some other source than just faith & a decent job(s). Does it erk anyone else to see how the widening gap between the wealthy comfortable and the average schlub out there is increasing, and how political decisions are being passed into law to further enrich the same. Does anyone see the crocodille tears over the estate tax with either party? They are the ones with the wealth to protect, so other than some posturing, there's little serious challenges. Are the loss of safety nets ie. bankruptcies, really just about the average ******* trying to abuse the system, or is there something more ominous behind some of this legislation? Mexicans have tough place in their native land, the monied interests, the corruption, the lack of decent jobs, etc. has been driving them north for a long time. Talk to any Mexican and they understand the h-u-g-e disparity between the haves and have nots, and the great middle that doesn't really exist. Will the Mexican exodus from Mexico be postceded by an exodus of Californians from California? It's kinda already moved in that direction - no? Is Cali inching toward a place so sharply defined by the haves and the have nots that social and political turmoil won't boil over again into the streets. Just a thought. Last edited by markablue; 06-23-2006 at 06:47 PM. Reason: merged
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