Los Angeles (East Los Angeles, Bell Gardens, Bell: loans, work, homes)

[dusesean1986]

Originally Posted by looking4home

Sparky, yes, you are correct about the "minimum wage" thing. My sister lives in south OC and she told me a few weeks ago about how all the illegal laborers in that area got together and decided to use their collective clout and informally "unionize" themselves by only accepting jobs at a certain wage. You gotta give them credit for doing that - they probably have been stiffed a lot, and really taken advantage of by snobby, nouveau riche OC types. Illegal or not, I could never treat anyone the way I've seen some of them treated by their so-called "employers".

But this may backfire on them, as many in So Cal "tolerate" their presence there just so they can use them as slave labor. If that goes, then what? I know many gringos, or at least legal laborers, who will gladly work for $15 an hr. And usually do a better job, too. Illegals are often very willing, but not often very skilled.

I agree with your first paragraph. I'll give my view on the second one. There are so many illegals, and Mexico or any other homeland is very depressed in low wages. Even if they are paid three dollars an hour, this is probably better alot better pay than their homeland, causing them to stay. Besides, even if the illegals do leave for another job, the Construction employeers are going to start emptying their pockets. They don't want to pay fifteen dollars to a white folk, when they can pay under ten dollars to an illegal. Construction is a very physically draining job, I had the opportunity to do for a week. The Construction employeers understand this, and know where these people come from, and I believe many feel righteous conviction from these folks' often poor background. I believe many would justify hiring of illegal workers, because they are much less fortunate than American Citizens. Even if the wages increase to $15, it's not enough money to live in a decent California neighborhood, ecspecially with the costs of homes. You would probably be in a barrio or hood. Not to mention, most white folk, ecspecially wealthy, don't mention to their children the work of a Construction laborer. From experience, many racially bias folks believe construction as being very low class and produced by illegals. That's my take, but I do enjoy your quote.

[looking4home]

[quote=OCCASparky;239487]To that end, it's a two-pronged effort on the state and federal levels. The federal government is charged with enforcing and securing the borders--fine. Let them do that. Keep new folks from coming in. No more anchor babies, etc. You drop a kid in the US--fine. They're a citizen, you're not, back to your country of origin you go.[quote]

Why don't we do what many countries in Europe are doing -
babies born there aren't given automatic citizenship. They get that when they're 18. It might make illegal immigrants who are using "anchor babies" because they think it makes them un-deportable, think again.

[OCCASparky]

Originally Posted by looking4home

Why don't we do what many countries in Europe are doing -
babies born there aren't given automatic citizenship. They get that when they're 18. It might make illegal immigrants who are using "anchor babies" because they think it makes them un-deportable, think again.

Because of, IMHO, a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment.

[looking4home]

Hi Sparky, hope you had a happy New Year! I don't understand - do you mean it would be difficult to change the law, as it would require a constitutional amendment? That is difficult but doable. I think so many people are fed up - and particularly sickened by this one loophole that illegals take advantage of - that there would be a lot of support for it. The problem is, that both parties find it in their interest to encourage illegal immigration, so the average legal citizen or resident is effectively screwed. Where will our political "hero" come from? Somone who is not beholden to special interests, and who will recognize the turmoil these lax immigration policies are creating in our communities, nation-wide.

[OCCASparky]

Originally Posted by looking4home

Hi Sparky, hope you had a happy New Year! I don't understand - do you mean it would be difficult to change the law, as it would require a constitutional amendment? That is difficult but doable. I think so many people are fed up - and particularly sickened by this one loophole that illegals take advantage of - that there would be a lot of support for it. The problem is, that both parties find it in their interest to encourage illegal immigration, so the average legal citizen or resident is effectively screwed. Where will our political "hero" come from? Somone who is not beholden to special interests, and who will recognize the turmoil these lax immigration policies are creating in our communities, nation-wide.

No, the 14th Amendment was misinterpreted, IMO, to include AUTOMATIC citizenship for anyone born here, regardless of citizenship or legal status of parents.

It's amazing, really--I knew a guy when I was in the Navy who was as American as anyone, but he actually had to GET A WAIVER TO JOIN because he was born on a military base in Rota, Spain (to American parents, no less!).

But we throw the doors open to those who would break our laws? Puh-leez.

[Ducktales]

Originally Posted by purplelady

Anybody have an idea or two on how to creativly help your "twenty-something" adult kids get homes in the southern California areas? (in Orange,beach areas, or even Corona) You cannot believe what it costs for apartment rent and they are having a hard time saving up enough cash for a down payment-- and I don't know how they are going to make the payments even with the decent jobs they have. It would be nice to keep the generations somewhat in the same vicinity and the kids like southern CA and would prefer to stay here. Has anybody successful naviagted these waters?

Look tell your kids to live in areas that low class Hispanics, Blacks, Whites, Asians, etc. can't afford to live in.

Because those people are the reasons why areas go to s@# in a major way. I can't wait for the LAPD and the Sheriffs to start erasing gangs forever.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by OCCASparky

Because of, IMHO, a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment.

Immigration was a major issue when the 14th Amendment was passed - complete with panics about Irish and German immigration comparable to the panics today about Latino immigration. So one can't say the writers of the 14th Amendment were unaware of consequences of "anchor babies"

Illegal immigration wasn't an issue, but mainly because there was no such legal concept as "illegal immigration" at the time. The US didn't have passports (only the Ottoman Empire and Russia did in the 19th century) and immigration controls were near nonexistent before 1905.

Nevertheless I am not trying to equate 19th/early 20th century immigration with immigration today, because of the US population being much greater and resources being scarcer. This said, legal immigration is one thing, illegal another (and illegal immigration does tend to attract the worst elements of the society from which the are emigrating from) although there are exceptions.

[OCCASparky]

Originally Posted by majoun

Immigration was a major issue when the 14th Amendment was passed - complete with panics about Irish and German immigration comparable to the panics today about Latino immigration. So one can't say the writers of the 14th Amendment were unaware of consequences of "anchor babies"

Illegal immigration wasn't an issue, but mainly because there was no such legal concept as "illegal immigration" at the time. The US didn't have passports (only the Ottoman Empire and Russia did in the 19th century) and immigration controls were near nonexistent before 1905.

Nevertheless I am not trying to equate 19th/early 20th century immigration with immigration today, because of the US population being much greater and resources being scarcer. This said, legal immigration is one thing, illegal another (and illegal immigration does tend to attract the worst elements of the society from which the are emigrating from) although there are exceptions.

As strange as it may sound, if the 20 million or so illegals had actually followed the process and entered this country legally, you know what? I'd be welcoming them with open arms. But such is not the case.

The 14th Amendment, when ratified, never specifically addressed the "anchor babies" issue. Time to revisit that and ensure only those here LEGALLY can have children with automatic citizenship. If you're NOT here legally and have a child, you BOTH go back...the child's country of citizenship is the same as the mother's. Period.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by OCCASparky

The 14th Amendment, when ratified, never specifically addressed the "anchor babies" issue. Time to revisit that and ensure only those here LEGALLY can have children with automatic citizenship. If you're NOT here legally and have a child, you BOTH go back...the child's country of citizenship is the same as the mother's. Period.

So what about situations in which the father is illegal and the mother is not?
And why should the citizenship be like that of the mother? Basing citizenship on the father's citizenship seems to be more common worldwide.

[ciscokid911]

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