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They bribe people with entitlement programs and government employment with massive overpayment from the state treasury.
If you have nothing, you can get maybe 65k worth of benefits for a family of 4. Why work?
But as you see happening in socialist countries elsewhere, this kind of government can't sustain itself and it will collapse on it's own stupidity.
It's going to get real bad because the poeple on the dole through welfare, entitlement programs and government employment/unions will ride this gravy train into the dust.
IMO California is doomed. Has to be totally decimated before they will begin to stop putting their hands out for other people's money.
Tons of wealthy people and companies leaving the state in mass.
is not that bad i hope not . California is part of USA . Feds have to step in . They can't apply socialism principles
is not that bad i hope not . California is part of USA . Feds have to step in . They can't apply socialism principles
You keep saying that the Feds have to step in?
Is there any DIRECT evidence that the Federal Government (who has had a higher debt to GDP ratio than California since...forever!) would do a better job than California itself?
Why even be called "the United States" anymore if we can always just rely on the Federal government to bail us out? The whole POINT of having 50 autonomous units in the US (unlike most centralized countries) is that each unit can try out their own policy prescriptions to see what works and what doesn't. What's been going on in California obviously hasn't been working, so Californians themselves need to fix it.
State and Local Governments: Laboratories of Democracy
Within federal framework, each state has considerable autonomy
The 50 U.S. states are divided into 3,141 counties with about 30,000 cities and 85,000 townships. The 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution grants state and local governments all powers not specifically reserved for the federal government. Consequently, states and communities adopt laws and forms of government that suit their needs, resulting in a diverse patchwork of governmental practices.
Of course, since the late 19th century, the power of the Federal government has literally ballooned (thank the commerce clause for that one, and the ensuing cases), but it doesn't mean that the states shouldn't have any power at all anymore.
There's so much hyperbole on this forum (not from you, but just saying generally speaking) that its sickening. Always seeing things in black and white, but ignoring the extremely obvious grey zone. I'm glad real life doesn't work this way, otherwise we'd be perpetually screwed.
Califorina and USA will bonece back in 10 years time. Obama says the American Dept is bad no it's not America have the same dept % as Australia got abd it's not that bad comper to Greece, Spain, Iceland and Japan. I will boom again in about 5 years time when Reno and Lake Tahoe get the winter olympics in 2022.
Obama lies alot and he lies about himself aswell. Go Mitt Romney for 2012. He know how to run a country.
Brazil Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva says Obama is too weak as a leader Obama appovial rating is 48% Brazil Luiz Inacio Lula de Silva he's leaveing office with 84% appovial rating.
is not that bad i hope not . California is part of USA . Feds have to step in . They can't apply socialism principles
Wake up, the Democrats have been doing this for decades in both the Fed and some states. Even in a Federal election you find hundreds of millions of dollars from UNIONS for DEMOCRATS WHY?
Government employees used to get 50% pay compared to the private sector in exchange for a consistant job.
Now they get 200% or more of private sector pay and ungodly retirement, and the unions finance the Democrat party in return.
In order to expand government, their pay and power, they tax the hell out of the private sector.
Government employment in many cases is another form of welfare IMO.
It's decades of the great society programs, the growing of welfare govenrment jobs with endless full pay retirement benefits. Then the killer in the RE bubble was the great Barney Frank (Democrat) and his famous no look loans and requirements to give blacks, unemployed and others who couldn't pay houseing loans. Didn't work.
Time to shrink government, give government retirees only SS and after a couple of years have welfare people off the rolls or doing assigned jobs by government at no pay beyond benefits.
Too many free rides are sinking us.
Next they want half your house when you die instead of being able to give it to your family. The great society Democrat programs, approved of by Communism USA by the way, go look them up and who the communist love. HINT, isn't conservatives, they love Democrats.
It's decades of the great society programs, the growing of welfare govenrment jobs with endless full pay retirement benefits. Then the killer in the RE bubble was the great Barney Frank (Democrat) and his famous no look loans and requirements to give blacks, unemployed and others who couldn't pay houseing loans. Didn't work.
Do I even need to make a note of what a stupid and ignorant statement this is?
No, the unemployed should never have gotten housing loans. People who are on WIC and food stamps and section 8 should never have been allowed to get loans on houses. I don't want my tax dollars going to buying someone a house unless they're actually working for society.
Being black has nothing to do with that.
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Time to shrink government, give government retirees only SS and after a couple of years have welfare people off the rolls or doing assigned jobs by government at no pay beyond benefits.
I agree with you: 100% retirement is the stupidest thing ever. It just plain can't work in any scenario to have to dole out for workers who aren't working.
I read a story about how not long ago, a state employee somewhere in the midwest was nailed for over 10 years of claiming a check but not actually showing up for work - ever. Nevermind that the agency let them get away with it, but at the same time, that's already happening to automakers and the government on a grander scale with these too-generous retirement packages.
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Too many free rides are sinking us.
That, and inadequate taxation and enforcement of unethical practices by corporations. Close the damned loopholes everywhere, not just the ones that individual citizens exploit.
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Next they want half your house when you die instead of being able to give it to your family. The great society Democrat programs, approved of by Communism USA by the way, go look them up and who the communist love. HINT, isn't conservatives, they love Democrats.
Oh, go stick your nose back in the Turner Diaries and watch a speech by good ol' Tailgunner Joe
Do I even need to make a note of what a stupid and ignorant statement this is?
No, the unemployed should never have gotten housing loans. People who are on WIC and food stamps and section 8 should never have been allowed to get loans on houses. I don't want my tax dollars going to buying someone a house unless they're actually working for society.
Being black has nothing to do with that.
I agree with you: 100% retirement is the stupidest thing ever. It just plain can't work in any scenario to have to dole out for workers who aren't working.
I read a story about how not long ago, a state employee somewhere in the midwest was nailed for over 10 years of claiming a check but not actually showing up for work - ever. Nevermind that the agency let them get away with it, but at the same time, that's already happening to automakers and the government on a grander scale with these too-generous retirement packages.
That, and inadequate taxation and enforcement of unethical practices by corporations. Close the damned loopholes everywhere, not just the ones that individual citizens exploit.
Oh, go stick your nose back in the Turner Diaries and watch a speech by good ol' Tailgunner Joe
Well that's the way it was.
No look loans given by order of the Feds directed by Frank. Fannie and Freddie first and then the banks followed.
There was the race aspect behind the beginning of the no look loans. The Democrats were pushing that EVERYONE had the right to a home (not considering that they should also be able to pay for one).
The Democrats have grown the hell out of the government employees, their wages, benefits and retirement lottery winnings for decades now.
Bubble was pretty much world wide and it was fueled by low interest rates on loans for homes. The low interest rates offered on accounts in banks forever now also forced older people to take their money out of banks and into other stock or risky investments which caused them to loose a lot of their retirement.
There is no inadequate taxation. There is out of control spending in government.
Now when the government screwed banks telling them they had to make all these bad loans, they were smart enough in some cases to bundle them and sell them to some other companies and hedge funds who wanted to take the risk looking to make a ton of money. They knew very well the value.
On the topic of Corporations, the whole way you are looking at it is silly IMO. You don't get corportations and taxation at all.
#1 A corporation is just a way to protect yourself in business against loss from some potential lawsuits.
#2 Taxes are no different. Maybe in some cases laws get passed to benefit a company if they want more oil exploration or some solar project, but everyone pays taxes. Very high taxes...
CORPORATIONS are often COMPANIES or PEOPLE with ASSETS.
Unless you zero out your company, you in fact pay 200% more in tax than everyone else. The reason why to YOU it looks like they pay nothing or little is they pay salaries, benefits and reinvest into the company, which zeros out income.
All the salaries pay tax. As they do business probably a dozen times along the way they get taxed. By law they get to reinvest in themselves for machines and equipment and that money is a wash.
Some states have driven COMPANIES which are CORPORATIONS out of town as California has. In some cases COMPANIES/CORPORATIONS said the hell with it and left the USA for elsewhere because we are uncompetative constantly trying to collect more and more taxes all over the place.
We make less of everything IMO because UNIONS drive businesses out of business. Lawyers suing for everything also destroyed a lot of the private sector.
You can't have no money coming in and still have all these great society programs running. When you try to tax more people leave and you STILL get less money.
Lower taxes raises revenue through volume. That is what works. Having the government being the senior partner in your monies earned is unworkable and IMO unethical.
What has Republican did for the past 5 years ago ! they spend money on stupid stuff overseas and tax the middle class high
As far as income tax is conscerned, pretty much no one making under 50k a year pays taxes (Which IMO is a problem).
You've been watching class warfare telling you to make the wealthy (called EMPLOYERS) to pay more and more and more taxes. Well my friend the weathy eventually say F-U. Why should the wealthy go through all the trouble of continuing business, meeting a payroll, fighting off needless lawsuits, restrictive business laws and higher and higher taxes after many spend 80 hours working a week?
A lot of them are retiring, firing people and saying enough is enough and bye bye. Why kill themselves working to give it all away to welfare, unions and politicians?
Repuiblicans can suck as well since many have basically been Democrat-lite.
These days though you can go to Communism USA and see that is who is where the Democrats are today and why you see conservatives rising up to make Republicans and Democrats act more responsible.
We should have small government. Temporary saftey nets unless there is a massive disability.
Unions are destroying the country as they exist in government. They need to be removed from government completely.
Government jobs should be paid less than the private sector.
Only jobs like police, fire and maybe the military should be paid more IMO.
We can't spend money we don't have the money for.
We should all learn to be responsible and not expect someone elses taxes alone to pay for everything.
IMO, if there was a same percentage of everyone's salary that was taken out as a tax, you'd see everyone wanting smaller government fast.
If you make a little, your percentage would be a tax on a little.
If you made a boat load of money your equal percentage would be a huge amount on your boat load and so forth.
Make a bill, pay a bill.
There is no free ride.
Be responsible.
Don't expect others to pay your bills IMO.
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