Are young people leaving Los Angeles? (Riverside, Beverly Hills: cheap apartment, foreclosures, renting)

[High Springs Gator]

Some questions

1. How does LA large immigrant population affect housing cost
2. If the cost of living is so high in LA why is LA the number one
destination for Mexican immigrants
3.If immigrant wages are lower than non immigrant should not those
savings be passed along to the consumers in LA
4. Reason says most immigrants are too poor to afford expensive housing.
So who are the buyers.

[Charles]

My responses in purple

Originally Posted by High Springs Gator

Some questions

1. How does LA large immigrant population affect housing cost

Price is a funciton of supply and demand. Immigrants increase demand. Increased demand affects price

2. If the cost of living is so high in LA why is LA the number one
destination for Mexican immigrants

a.) close to the border. the LA metro is a huge source of employment only 100 miles north. A lot of demand for their services.
b.) lots of employment opportunities
c.) LA has a historical Latino culture
d.) Year round opportunities for outdoor work

there are probably more reasons but those are the first I could think of in 30 seconds

3.If immigrant wages are lower than non immigrant should not those
savings be passed along to the consumers in LA

They are. If an American did the work your restaurant meal, car wash, and landscaping service prices would increase.

4. Reason says most immigrants are too poor to afford expensive housing.
So who are the buyers.

This question has been asked many times on the California and sub forums. Consider using the search tool.

[fastfilm]

Originally Posted by High Springs Gator

Some questions

1. How does LA large immigrant population affect housing cost
2. If the cost of living is so high in LA why is LA the number one
destination for Mexican immigrants
3.If immigrant wages are lower than non immigrant should not those
savings be passed along to the consumers in LA
4. Reason says most immigrants are too poor to afford expensive housing.
So who are the buyers.

Just so you'll factor in another confirmation, my P.O.V. from five decades of living in L.A.:

1. Legal immigrants: does not affect at all. People are people like everywhere else. L.A. is an urban draw, 40% of our population was not born in this country, that's the new reality. However, illegal immigrants cause property values to decline, because of antipathy of illegals towards American values and American citizens, and their overall lawlessness that correlates to their demographic (they broke a biggie to get here, and feel they can continue to get away with what they wish to.)

Anyone who lives side by side with them (as do I) can confirm that the myth of illegals hiding in the shadows is just that, a myth. Illegal populations are the largest incubators of our wretched gang problems currently. Maratrucha Salvadora outstrip the traditional Crips in viciousness, influence and widespread membership. Illegals can be insistant on replicating the conditions they moved from, be it debris-strewn dwellings, vandalizing their neighbors, or noise pollution in the extreme (sports stadium-worthy sound systems blasting 24/7.) They are xenophobic towards anyone not from their "home country," and frequently knee-jerk misogynistic. Personal observations these, not abstractions.

2. L.A. is a so-called "sanctuary" city, wherein police enforcement by law are prohibited from even asking legal status of apprehended criminal suspects. This means illegals feel safe from ICE here. An example: I have many legal foreign national neighbors who unfortunately house successive waves of illegal relatives, year after year (some of them starting up car theft rings. Police actually questioned me about these neighbors, hence my knowledge of who was legal in that household and who was not.) It all adds up. By the by, the stat for illegals is 300 enter L.A. daily.

3. How that actually works is that illegals are paid cash under the table, which depresses wages overall for everyone else. American citizens, both born and naturalized, end up with less earned income, less disposable income, and lesser quality of life in an already expensive city.

4. See example in #2. One legal immigrant is figurehead for buying property, funding of which is culled from larger extended family which then moves here illegally. One small 2-bedroom home on my block routinely has about 14 people living there revolving around the breadwinner, based upon who's recently arrived in the country. A City-data poster here introduced me to the apt term "clown house."

Overall, these can explain why people, any age, are leaving L.A. I'm certainly planning to.

[High Springs Gator]

Thanks for your non-politically correct response.

[wclac]

Originally Posted by fastfilm

Just so you'll factor in another confirmation, my P.O.V. from five decades of living in L.A.:

1. Legal immigrants: does not affect at all. People are people like everywhere else. L.A. is an urban draw, 40% of our population was not born in this country, that's the new reality. However, illegal immigrants cause property values to decline, because of antipathy of illegals towards American values and American citizens, and their overall lawlessness that correlates to their demographic (they broke a biggie to get here, and feel they can continue to get away with what they wish to.)

Anyone who lives side by side with them (as do I) can confirm that the myth of illegals hiding in the shadows is just that, a myth. Illegal populations are the largest incubators of our wretched gang problems currently. Maratrucha Salvadora outstrip the traditional Crips in viciousness, influence and widespread membership. Illegals can be insistant on replicating the conditions they moved from, be it debris-strewn dwellings, vandalizing their neighbors, or noise pollution in the extreme (sports stadium-worthy sound systems blasting 24/7.) They are xenophobic towards anyone not from their "home country," and frequently knee-jerk misogynistic. Personal observations these, not abstractions.

2. L.A. is a so-called "sanctuary" city, wherein police enforcement by law are prohibited from even asking legal status of apprehended criminal suspects. This means illegals feel safe from ICE here. An example: I have many legal foreign national neighbors who unfortunately house successive waves of illegal relatives, year after year (some of them starting up car theft rings. Police actually questioned me about these neighbors, hence my knowledge of who was legal in that household and who was not.) It all adds up. By the by, the stat for illegals is 300 enter L.A. daily.

3. How that actually works is that illegals are paid cash under the table, which depresses wages overall for everyone else. American citizens, both born and naturalized, end up with less earned income, less disposable income, and lesser quality of life in an already expensive city.

4. See example in #2. One legal immigrant is figurehead for buying property, funding of which is culled from larger extended family which then moves here illegally. One small 2-bedroom home on my block routinely has about 14 people living there revolving around the breadwinner, based upon who's recently arrived in the country. A City-data poster here introduced me to the apt term "clown house."

Overall, these can explain why people, any age, are leaving L.A. I'm certainly planning to.

Wow, I guess I need to be employed quick! You want to move out of Los Angeles? I was planning on moving there, to a safer haven.

[Duluth07]

When I researched the move out there I found out a few things: if you don't have a graduate degree, forget it. Your bachelors and masters degrees are the new version of a high school diploma. Instead of 'don't drop out of high school' now they need to have PSAs that say 'don't quit your master's program unless you want to be a team leader for life at WalMart'. Back in 1996, I would have advised you to have about $3000 socked away to cushion your move. In 2008 I would say you need about $10,000. With the economy being the way it is, people being unable to go back to finish their degrees, etc...we are seeing an influx of Californians here in Duluth (Minnesota) even. If nothing else, we are right next to the largest supply of fresh water in the world (Lake Superior) which will undoubtedly become the next oil. It's safe here, there's diversity here (but no gay people which sucks for me), there are lots of health care jobs, your kids can go to public schools without fear, all in all, not a bad place. Yea, it gets cold, but whatever...I can deal with it.

I think the internet has made a lot of us think twice about our journeys to whatever city we planned to run off to, especially when we read so many comments that complain about the same things that we are trying to escape in our own city (lack of jobs, no dating possibilities, jerks, you name it). Maybe that's a good thing, but in a way it kind of takes the wind out of you because you realize that there is no magic place where everything is perfect (we all have that illusion about someplace).

[Hungry For Cheese]

I agree with fastfilm...I can't wait to move.

[JackSparrow]

Look at the social scene in south Arizona, and you'll get a picture of beer drinking trashers. I know some people from there, and they say it's a pit.

The young people that are leaving are the ones that can't keep their finances together.
Good riddance! I see way too many people trying to live their "rock and roll" fantasy, but they either don't have a job, or they're working tables... Nothing is wrong with being unemployed or waiting tables, but there IS a problem when you dress like you're a 7 figure diva, but you roll in less than 30k/yr. Good luck to them in AZ!

Good finances and budgeting FOR THE WIN!!!

[ibarrio]

30-40K won't get you far in L.A.

[Hungry For Cheese]

Originally Posted by JackSparrow

Look at the social scene in south Arizona, and you'll get a picture of beer drinking trashers. I know some people from there, and they say it's a pit.

The young people that are leaving are the ones that can't keep their finances together.
Good riddance! I see way too many people trying to live their "rock and roll" fantasy, but they either don't have a job, or they're working tables... Nothing is wrong with being unemployed or waiting tables, but there IS a problem when you dress like you're a 7 figure diva, but you roll in less than 30k/yr. Good luck to them in AZ!

Good finances and budgeting FOR THE WIN!!!

That's like a slap in the face to me. It takes more than that to hurt my feelings though.
25 years old...makes 30k. Lives at home because living alone for 1200/mo is not smart. Living in the ghetto with immigrants will never happen.

I'm excellent with my finances and I am such a penny pincher and budgter that everyone around rolls their lil eyes.

Good finances and budgeting FOR THE WIN....outside of Cali someday.