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Old 05-25-2011, 04:33 PM
 
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Here are a couple links to be proud of:

Although a lot of CD-ers lump LA with all other sunbelt cities, and ignorantly talk about how LA was built for the car, here is something that all Angelenos should know.

I recently watched Who framed Roger Rabbit for the first time in a long time. What a masterpiece. Was one of my favorite movies as a kid, and as an adult I have a newfound appreciation for that classic. Anyways here is the wikipedia article that talks about the famous Red Car. It was the largest electric railway network in the world. But instead of mourning it, LA has done well in learning its lesson in expanding its lightrail. I think all the lines that have been built in the last 25 years is a proud feat.

Pacific Electric Railway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Today, LAs mass transit system (including buses) is the second largest in the country. Yes, that is bigger than Chicago, etc.

Brookings Institute Study Further Highlights Need For Metro Express Routes | LA Vitamin Report | SoCal Focus | KCET

It talks about how there is work to be done. But is so much more extensive than easterners think it is.
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Old 05-25-2011, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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ignorantly talk about how LA was built for the car

LA wasn't built for the car?

Most people in every city do not use public transportation. In SF 85% of people do not use PT, Boston 90%. Even NYC 70% of people do not use PT.

On the Economics of Mass Transit and the Value of Common Sense - NYTimes.com

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Old 05-25-2011, 05:20 PM
 
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LA wasn't built for the car?
It grew with the automobile absolutely, but it also had the most extensive public streetcar system in the world.
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:29 PM
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Mass transit is for less productive Luddites
Companies moved offices to suburbs to be nr suburban homes of workers
Higher income workers work via mobile commuting and prefer to drive everywhere in own private car, as silicon valley shows...much like la or Dallas/Houston or suburban NYC or chic where many cos. Are hq'd in distant car centric suburbs
Even in luddite manhattan the most productive have a car and driver and don't waste valuable time with commie transit or cabs or walking
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Mt Washington: NELA
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A true 'Luddite' wouldn't own anything even remotely resembling a car. Luddites were against mechanization, and modern day Luddites would certainly decry anything like computers or the industrialization that creates them.


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Mass transit is for less productive Luddites
Companies moved offices to suburbs to be nr suburban homes of workers
Higher income workers work via mobile commuting and prefer to drive everywhere in own private car, as silicon valley shows...much like la or Dallas/Houston or suburban NYC or chic where many cos. Are hq'd in distant car centric suburbs
Even in luddite manhattan the most productive have a car and driver and don't waste valuable time with commie transit or cabs or walking
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Hollywood, CA
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We need more rail. Yes the system is huge, when you include buses, but the entire bus experience is not desirable.

Rail IS A LOT more desirable. It's faster, safer and more reliable. If Los Angeles has a more extensive rail system more people would use it. Especially with downtown being developed and the rise of gas prices.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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We need more rail. Yes the system is huge, when you include buses, but the entire bus experience is not desirable.

Rail IS A LOT more desirable. It's faster, safer and more reliable. If Los Angeles has a more extensive rail system more people would use it. Especially with downtown being developed and the rise of gas prices.
How much will it cost?
Who will pay for it?
Where will the new rails run?
Who will pay for it?
What percentage of people would use it?
Who will pay for it?
How will 90% of people who wouldn't live within 1 mile of a station get to a station?
Who will pay for it?

To where do I mail my check?
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:17 PM
 
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We need more rail. Yes the system is huge, when you include buses, but the entire bus experience is not desirable.

Rail IS A LOT more desirable. It's faster, safer and more reliable. If Los Angeles has a more extensive rail system more people would use it. Especially with downtown being developed and the rise of gas prices.
Agreed completely, in fact rail is essential for the survival of Los Angeles.
Without it L.A. becomes Detroit.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:21 PM
 
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It grew with the automobile absolutely, but it also had the most extensive public streetcar system in the world.
"Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" is an excellent movie, and the Red Car subplot is a pretty fascinating bit of real life L.A. history in it, but the film condenses the story.

L.A. WOULD have had the most extensive rail system of any city in the world if a 1939 ordinance had been passed which would have given L.A. a true subway system. The city with the most extensive rail system in the world at that time was London. L.A. would have had a system like London's if it hadn't been for that initiative failing to pass.

And while when GM owned PE they drastically cut service and maintenance as to make riding the streetcars less desirable, it was the county which eliminated the Red Cars when it took over PE and created the MTA in the 1950s.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Rail is less desirable than a car. Given the choice of taking a train, dealing with the lack of privacy, the lack of flexibility, the lack of comfort, 95% of people would prefer the experience of going from point A to point B using a car. In fact, the overwhelming majority (95%??) do.

In a car, you can turn the stereo up as loud as you want, you can make side trips, you go from your garage to within 50 feet of your destination, you can turn the AC or heat to whatever you want.
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