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Old 06-25-2011, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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There were white gangs too. They were very active during the early-mid 20th Century. Most were affiliated with the KKK or the bikers.

Now it seems like most of the white gangs fled the City of LA or at least remained out of the public eye.
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Old 06-25-2011, 05:26 PM
 
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There were white gangs too. They were very active during the early-mid 20th Century. Most were affiliated with the KKK or the bikers.

Now it seems like most of the white gangs fled the City of LA or at least remained out of the public eye.
White gangs didn't survive the increasingly violent nature of gang life at the beginning of the '80s (unlike in Chicago, NYC, or Boston, probably Philly as well - Chicago's Gaylords, Popes, and Simon City Royals all survive, and NYC still has the Bronx Hoods). L.A.'s white criminal underclass traditionally was not into "turf" and was more into making money anyways.

One percent clubs are a different phenomenon, some still exist but keep a low profile most of the time. AFAIK, however, the Angels, Mongols, and Vagos are the only ones still in L.A. The Heathens who were based in Venice and used to have a chapter in the Valley no longer have any chapters in California and are now based in Vegas. OC, the IE, and Ventura County have more than L.A. proper (even the Valley, which was filled with one percent clubs before the massive changes in the '90s).

The punk rock gangs of the '80s today are nothing more than groupings of middle aged men who like to drink together. No threat (but then other than the Suicidals, they never really were a threat). Some of their members who went to prison may have been sucked into racist prison gangs like the AB and street equivalents like NLR (although NLR don't have a presence in L.A. proper, they're mostly an AV phenomenon and also have a presence in the SGV).

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Old 06-25-2011, 05:34 PM
 
Location: SW MO Aux Arcs
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Default How Long Have LA Gangs Existed?

Since Cain slew Abel!
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Old 06-25-2011, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Some background on this subject (this article is VERY long but worthwhile reading for an understanding L.A.'s 20th century history in general and that of not only gangs but youth subcultures and politics): http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstr.../1/mides_1.pdf
Majoun: Thanks for the link. That "article" is more like a book (in this case a dissertation)! But interesting historical account of LA youth from 1900 to 1970.
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Old 06-25-2011, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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Los Angeles's gang culture has evolved overtime.

1900s-1910s: I assume around this time, Hispanic gangs were forming due to discrimination from local services. Street gangs didn't carry weapons during this period, but committed petty crime. Of course, there were European gangs during this period and most were around Downtown/East LA. I'm sure there were gangs like that before 1900.

1920s-1960s: During that period, organized crime was rampant in the city which was dominated by the criminal underworld like the local Mafia family and later the Siegal/Cohen gang. But in the 1950s, the LAPD under Parker was crashing down on organized crime. The local Mafia has declined since. Also during that period, black clubs formed as protection from white clubs. After white clubs disappeared, black-on-black violence begun over territory which lasted until the Watts riot.

1970s-1990s: Unemployment rose and jobs were shutting down. Street gangs skyrocketed. Street gangs were mostly confined in South Central, East LA, and parts of the Valley, but eventually spread throughout the city. Then in the 1980s, crack cocaine came into the scene and that changed LA's gang culture and violence got even worse until the 1992 riots.

2000s-present: Seems like modern street gangs have become more racially territorial. The gang population is declining in the city mainly due to gentrification and some LAPD vigilance.


Which era do you think was the most colorful and most violent?
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Old 06-25-2011, 10:14 PM
 
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Los Angeles's gang culture has evolved overtime.

1900s-1910s: I assume around this time, Hispanic gangs were forming due to discrimination from local services. Street gangs didn't carry weapons during this period, but committed petty crime. Of course, there were European gangs during this period and most were around Downtown/East LA. I'm sure there were gangs like that before 1900.

1920s-1960s: During that period, organized crime was rampant in the city which was dominated by the criminal underworld like the local Mafia family and later the Siegal/Cohen gang. But in the 1950s, the LAPD under Parker was crashing down on organized crime. The local Mafia has declined since. Also during that period, black clubs formed as protection from white clubs. After white clubs disappeared, black-on-black violence begun over territory which lasted until the Watts riot.

1970s-1990s: Unemployment rose and jobs were shutting down. Street gangs skyrocketed. Street gangs were mostly confined in South Central, East LA, and parts of the Valley, but eventually spread throughout the city. Then in the 1980s, crack cocaine came into the scene and that changed LA's gang culture and violence got even worse until the 1992 riots.

2000s-present: Seems like modern street gangs have become more racially territorial. The gang population is declining in the city mainly due to gentrification and some LAPD vigilance.


Which era do you think was the most colorful and most violent?
Most violent? '70s-90s.
Most colorful? '20s-'60s.
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Old 06-27-2011, 01:06 AM
 
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If Prop 13 is responsible for the demise of youth programs in Los Angeles how is it other California cities have managed to expand youth programs...

My city made the news for things like "Midnight Basketball" and continually opens new after school Park and Rec Centers.

Under Prop 13 all that is required is the passage of a ballot measure when elected officials do not step up.
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Old 06-27-2011, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I was reading a 1981 article about the L.A music scene. What I found most interesting was a sentence that wasn't directly related to the article. It said that while punk rockers have a reputation of being violent they can't compare to the gang member thugs in South Central.

I didn't realize there was a gang problem as early as 1981. It seemed like a more innocent time. I never even heard the term "thug" related to gang members back then. I didn't hear about the LA gang epedemic until the late 80s/early 90s. In fact I heard about it all the time back then. That seemed to be the peak of gangs. I don't hear as much now. Either there has been a decline in gang activity in the past 20 years or we have become so rotten and corrupt as a culture that we think gangs are "normal".

So how long have LA gangs existed and do they have less members now than when the media gave them a lot of attention?
How about clear back to the 60s and 70s to some degree? No, not quite as organized or as violent as today, but they were there, just like the play and movie "West side Story" but it was L.A.

Nita
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Old 06-27-2011, 01:20 PM
 
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How about clear back to the 60s and 70s to some degree? No, not quite as organized or as violent as today, but they were there, just like the play and movie "West side Story" but it was L.A.

Nita
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Old 06-28-2011, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Appellate court opinions going back to 1850, good site for researching crime trends.

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