Is the immigration problem in California bad? (Los Angeles: businesses, art)

[goodbyehollywood]

Originally Posted by straight outta camden

Calm down folks. The illegal population of LA is not rising. It is flat or falling. (Classrooms aren't becoming more crowded either, whoever it was that though they were--in fact there is likely to be a round of closures soon.)

The next person to whine about being overrun by illegals is hereby sentenced to read every word of this paper:

http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/411...Immigrants.pdf

Do you take everything you read at face value? Does "hidden agenda" ring a bell? Spinning?

People who live here see the situation clearly with their own eyes. Walk into an LAUSD classroom and take a good look at your children's classmates. Try to speak to them. If you're not fluent in Spanish, you're going to have a problem... just like your children do. Go to the grocery in Mar Vista. You know, right down from Mar Vista Hill, that bastion of million dollar cottages and multimillion dollar McMansions. Check out that coupon they give you at the checkout-- it's written in Spanish. That's right, a good middle-to-upper-middle-class neighborhood has progressed from receiving coupons in Spanish on one side and English on the other to receiving coupons in Spanish ONLY. How about that for a grande sign?

Maybe the sentence should be a day spent in an L.A. classroom. Or a grocery store. Don't bother with a bank-- swap that for a Western Union office, because those dineros are going right home to Mexico. Can anybody say 1040? I didn't think so. Because taxes aren't in the mix.

Don't take my word for it. And, for sure, don't take the word of an agenda paper. See for yourself. Then decide.

[straight outta camden]

Originally Posted by goodbyehollywood

Do you take everything you read at face value? Does "hidden agenda" ring a bell? Spinning?

People who live here see the situation clearly with their own eyes. Walk into an LAUSD classroom and take a good look at your children's classmates. Try to speak to them. If you're not fluent in Spanish, you're going to have a problem... just like your children do. Go to the grocery in Mar Vista. You know, right down from Mar Vista Hill, that bastion of million dollar cottages and multimillion dollar McMansions. Check out that coupon they give you at the checkout-- it's written in Spanish. That's right, a good middle-to-upper-middle-class neighborhood has progressed from receiving coupons in Spanish on one side and English on the other to receiving coupons in Spanish ONLY. How about that for a grande sign?

Maybe the sentence should be a day spent in an L.A. classroom. Or a grocery store. Don't bother with a bank-- swap that for a Western Union office, because those dineros are going right home to Mexico. Can anybody say 1040? I didn't think so. Because taxes aren't in the mix.

Don't take my word for it. And, for sure, don't take the word of an agenda paper. See for yourself. Then decide.

I do live here. And my eyes are open enough to be able to tell the difference between an illegal immigrant and somebody who speaks Spanish--a distinction you seem to have overlooked.

"Agenda" or no, all the serious research on the demography of LA says the same thing. The number of illegal immigrants is not rising. You don't have to believe this, just as you don't have to believe house price data, inflation figures etc. ("Hey, the price of potato chips in my local store has just gone up by a quarter! How can the government tell us inflation is only 2 percent? They must have an agenda!") It's a free country.

Since you mention schools, here's a fun fact. The number of kids who don't speak English in LAUSD is at a 12-year low. Open this link:

R30

...click on "district", open the unnecessarily huge file, and see page 7.

You're welcome.

[Caliguy2007]

That's the problem with so many people is they automatically think a Spanish Speaker or a Brown Person is an Illegal Immigrant.LOL

It is true that the Illegal Immigrant Population in L.A is Decreasing....Many Illegal Immigrants are fleeing to more Affordable Parts of the U.S.

Originally Posted by straight outta camden

I do live here. And my eyes are open enough to be able to tell the difference between an illegal immigrant and somebody who speaks Spanish--a distinction you seem to have overlooked.

"Agenda" or no, all the serious research on the demography of LA says the same thing. The number of illegal immigrants is not rising. You don't have to believe this, just as you don't have to believe house price data, inflation figures etc. ("Hey, the price of potato chips in my local store has just gone up by a quarter! How can the government tell us inflation is only 2 percent? They must have an agenda!") It's a free country.

Since you mention schools, here's a fun fact. The number of kids who don't speak English in LAUSD is at a 12-year low. Open this link:

R30

...click on "district", open the unnecessarily huge file, and see page 7.

You're welcome.

[goodbyehollywood]

Originally Posted by straight outta camden

I do live here. And my eyes are open enough to be able to tell the difference between an illegal immigrant and somebody who speaks Spanish--a distinction you seem to have overlooked.

"Agenda" or no, all the serious research on the demography of LA says the same thing. The number of illegal immigrants is not rising. You don't have to believe this, just as you don't have to believe house price data, inflation figures etc. ("Hey, the price of potato chips in my local store has just gone up by a quarter! How can the government tell us inflation is only 2 percent? They must have an agenda!") It's a free country.

Since you mention schools, here's a fun fact. The number of kids who don't speak English in LAUSD is at a 12-year low. Open this link:

R30

...click on "district", open the unnecessarily huge file, and see page 7.

You're welcome.

Wow, you have xray vision! You're right-- I can't just look at someone and tell if they're illegal or not. How do we all get some of those supereyes... or are you the lone bionic Los Angeleno?

And whether you're legal or not, it's America-- speak English. It is, after all, the official language. If you don't like it or don't have enough respect for the country that's supporting you to learn it, there are lots of other countries-- including your own-- to move to. When I lived in France, I spoke-- you guessed it-- French. And I wasn't even a legal. Though most people couldn't just look at me and tell that.

That "serious research" you keep posting, is that straight outta Camden, too? Because my own "serious research" straight outta L.A. tells me that people who can't speak English can't be American citizens. That pesky little detail is a requirement for citizenship, you see, so when I actually stand in a Los Angeles classroom-- instead of following some sheeple link-- and see, with my own lack of xray vision, a whole bunch of students not able to converse, read or do basic math in English, I jump to the conclusion that, hey, they can't speak English. If they can't speak English, they can't be citizens. If they're not citizens, they're not legal. Call it logic, deductive reasoning or plain old common sense, but if you see it, believe it. Or stick to your sheeple papers. It is, as you say, a free country.

And as for the "you're welcome," I didn't say "thank you." Still don't. I don't see anything to thank you for. But, then, you could just look at me and tell that.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by goodbyehollywood

Do you take everything you read at face value? Does "hidden agenda" ring a bell? Spinning?

People who live here see the situation clearly with their own eyes. Walk into an LAUSD classroom and take a good look at your children's classmates. Try to speak to them. If you're not fluent in Spanish, you're going to have a problem... just like your children do. Go to the grocery in Mar Vista. You know, right down from Mar Vista Hill, that bastion of million dollar cottages and multimillion dollar McMansions. Check out that coupon they give you at the checkout-- it's written in Spanish. That's right, a good middle-to-upper-middle-class neighborhood has progressed from receiving coupons in Spanish on one side and English on the other to receiving coupons in Spanish ONLY. How about that for a grande sign?

Maybe the sentence should be a day spent in an L.A. classroom. Or a grocery store. Don't bother with a bank-- swap that for a Western Union office, because those dineros are going right home to Mexico. Can anybody say 1040? I didn't think so. Because taxes aren't in the mix.

Don't take my word for it. And, for sure, don't take the word of an agenda paper. See for yourself. Then decide.

Living right near there, I have to wonder what stores you shop at. The last several times I've gone to supermarkets in Mar Vista I've recieved coupons in English (and I'm not talking about "Whole Paycheck", I can't afford to shop there and never go there).

Let me give you a contrary example in a part of LA that's not on the Westside. Echo Park has been a majority Latino neighborhood for decades, and still is, but the non-Latino white population there is increasing rapidly to a level not seen since the 60s. Only 12% of home buyers there are Latinos, and most of those are probably not immigrants. Latino immigrants prefer to buy in family-friendly neighborhoods with less crime and bigger houses, so they're more likely to go out to the farther burbs. Gentrification and the cost of living in LA is pricing out illegals.

Re: LAUSD, however, that is a complete disaster, for many reasons.

[jaybee13]

Originally Posted by straight outta camden

Calm down folks. The illegal population of LA is not rising. It is flat or falling. (Classrooms aren't becoming more crowded either, whoever it was that though they were--in fact there is likely to be a round of closures soon.)

The next person to whine about being overrun by illegals is hereby sentenced to read every word of this paper:

http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/411...Immigrants.pdf

You're right -- it's not growing substantially. But according to this study, "In 2004, about two-fifths (41 percent) of California’s unauthorized population resided in Los Angeles. No other metropolitan area had as many unauthorized immigrants as Los Angeles..."

It's hard to grow when you're number one.

[UB50]

Originally Posted by cynwldkat

As long as you speak fluent spanish you will probably do alright.

I found a job that I was qualified to do recently in the "Help Wanted" section -- but they wanted English, Korean and Chinese... My Spanglish was no help at all.

[UB50]

Originally Posted by Ben_Hooper

I did look at Lake Havasu City, AZ recently. Why? The Lake i answer.
I would take full advantage of it. I would likely buy a boat seeing as house prices are much lower than elsewhere so i would have money left over to do so. Various watersports are also an advantage. However i've heard a lot of negatives about LHC like the heat, wild partying, isolation from the rest of the country (i dont like the idea of living in a big built up area, but i do like being able to access sports shops, food **in n out burger**, music stores, and the essentials). i'm sure your getting the point.

You would be so bored in Lake Havasu. You would have access to big cities, but they are far away if you have to drive to them.

Also, I moved to Nevada once, thinking that Lake Mead would make up for the Atlantic Ocean. Hahahahahaha!!!! Lake Mead has rocks on it's shore and not a tree to be found for miles and miles! It's the most desolate, cwappy lake anyone ever came up with. Since Havasu is just down the river, I can't imagine it is much better.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by UB50

I found a job that I was qualified to do recently in the "Help Wanted" section -- but they wanted English, Korean and Chinese... My Spanglish was no help at all.

Since Asians are the only ethnic/racial group in LA who are moving in more than they're moving out, this is no surprise, and will become increasingly common.

[UB50]

Originally Posted by majoun

Since Asians are the only ethnic/racial group in LA who are moving in more than they're moving out, this is no surprise, and will become increasingly common.

I recently told a family member that I should avail myself of the opportunity to learn Korean, since we have so many in the neighborhood and I could practice on a regular basis.

I'd also love to learn Chinese.

I fear that jobs for those who only know English are going to be a thing of the past.