11-11-2011, 09:19 AM
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Any interesting fix to this would be a provision to not accept the county's assessment, in fact set it at whatever you want. However, if you do set your assessment, a third party can buy it for that amount.
11-11-2011, 10:05 AM
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Jw2 , since I am not savvy in any of this, as I am trying to learn as I go. Yet I am not sure what you have provided can apply to doing a formal appeal. you AND
11-11-2011, 10:31 AM
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BrokeIn2011
00molavi , did you just receive your notice from the assessor office that they dropped your property value, since your original posting on Monday (11-07-11)?
Yet I am confused by your last post, because it seemed that you were considering your formal appeal earlier this week, yet when you mentioned the information about your redfin sales comps, it sounds like you filed for your formal appeal with the redfin sales comps information since Monday and the Assessor has now dropped the value of your house by 10% as of yesterday. Well I am now lost and confused.
Sorry for the confusion. I had filed with the assessor right when I saw my bill with increase in value. I was ANTICIPATING a denial and was getting all ready to appeal, but they accepted. I also filed for my parents-very similar scenario, and I checked today, their value was dropped by 10% too. In their case the comps were a bit more iffy. Because mine is all track housing and very easy to pull similar comps. Theirs is an older neighborhood and also a condo, so was a bit of challenge to find real comps. So I think they are seeing and recognizing the market crash and our agony. At least this is something in this crazy times. Wish everybody else luck.
11-11-2011, 02:11 PM
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jw2
Any interesting fix to this would be a provision to not accept the county's assessment, in fact set it at whatever you want. However, if you do set your assessment, a third party can buy it for that amount.
Where can I sign on... I would gladly sell for my assessed value which is within a couple thousand for what I bought it for at the peak of the real estate boom...
11-13-2011, 11:55 AM
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00molavi , thank you for the clarification of the appeal that you did. Now it all makes very good sense.
When you said
“So I think they are seeing and recognizing the market crash and our agony. At least this is something in this crazy times.” , I am hoping that I will “eventually” have some luck with my formal appeal. Because I am sure that more and more people will start fighting the Assessor over their outrageously high assessments on property with “daily” plummeting value
, and then eventually California will start issuing a fee to file an appeal . . . like what happened in
Ultrarunner's county.
Yet I guess I will not complain too loudly, because when I went looking (on Zillow) at one of the new housing developments that they built in my city about 8 years ago, they have homes that are 4 bedroom and 2 baths and at least 2,500 square feet, and their property taxes last year was over $8,000.
WOW!!! I
DO NOT live in an affluent or upscale city . . . it is more lower to mid middle class at best. I have no idea how people can afford to pay 8K+ per year in property taxes in my city.
WOW!!! Yet I will cry over my 2011 almost 6K property tax bill that is due on the 10th of next month.
I guess that I probably would faint if I looked at Zillow for Beverly Hills homes and the property taxes that residences there paid last year.
11-19-2011, 05:29 PM
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I am in the process of completing the "Application for Changed Assessment" for "Decline in Value".
11-19-2011, 05:48 PM
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If everyone appealed their real estate tax, then more teachers would be laid off. Don't know where this is heading.
11-19-2011, 08:39 PM
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Enolihi
If everyone appealed their real estate tax, then more teachers would be laid off. Don't know where this is heading.
The appeals do nothing by themselves and in my county the appeals generate revenue.
By law, property must be properly assessed. If the Appeal Board grants a lower value it is to comply with the law.
Many will never appeal and for others, mostly those that bought and still own homes bought in the mid 2000's, the Assessor can nip the appeals in the bud by ensuring the values are correct.
Most all appeals that are granted are temporary and only apply to the year being appealed.
As mentioned, I believe my county is deliberately stone walling and delaying the process in an effort to keep more dollars rolling in.
Even in the event that everyone appealed... it would not release property owners from paying the full amount shown on their individuals bill and even if successful... the county has 2 years to act.
I'm knee deep in the process right now... the Assessor dismissed all the comparable sales in my area because they were distress sales... if the sum of the market is distress property, that is the market...
11-20-2011, 08:59 AM
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Cmarlin20 , if you are doing the online “Decline-in-Value Request for Review ”, then you do not have to attach any forms, yet when I did mine, I had the same question that you did, however I did not see any way to attach anything, on the online form, yet you have to enter the comp information in the form itself. But I would highly suggested that you keep your computer saved and or printed out comp information handy in a file, because you will probably need it again, if you opt to file a formal appeal, if they deny your “Decline-in-Value Request for Review”. I kept my information, because I specifically needed to have comps of sold homes between January 01, 2011 to March 31, 2011. I would imagine that requirement applies statewide. still GREAT input Ultrarunner !
11-20-2011, 11:34 AM
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Enolihi
If everyone appealed their real estate tax, then more teachers would be laid off. Don't know where this is heading.
I find this difficult to digest. It is the law. Based on the same law, people who have bought their houses two generation back in La Canada, Beverly Hills and similar places are paying taxes on assessed value of ~$60,000 and still using the public schools. Where I am, we have Mello Roos tax paying for the school bonds and a lot of other stuff. My house has dropped $100K in value since I bought. Even if I paid the extra tax, how do I know it goes to our school's teachers. I would be happier to just write a check to the school directly.
FWIW my wife is a laid off teacher, but I don't think taxing random people who bought a house at the wrong time is the way to make up for this.
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Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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Yet I am confused by your last post, because it seemed that you were considering your formal appeal earlier this week, yet when you mentioned the information about your redfin sales comps, it sounds like you filed for your formal appeal with the redfin sales comps information since Monday and the Assessor has now dropped the value of your house by 10% as of yesterday. Well I am now lost and confused. 
I guess that I probably would faint if I looked at Zillow for Beverly Hills homes and the property taxes that residences there paid last year.
