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Old 03-21-2012, 03:35 PM
 
Location: LBC
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Where is that data?

Well, from the recently released EIR. The MTA projects over 78,000 subway boardings a day, which is a conservative estimate given:
“With nearly 60,000 daily boardings, the Wilshire Corridor route (line 20/720) is the most heavily used bus corridor in Southern California”
and “local service on Wilshire Boulevard, provided by Metro Line 20, serves an additional 18,000 ridershttp://www.metro.net/projects_studie...and%20Need.pdf . Considering this will cut times considerably on what is now already the most heavily used bus corridor in Southern California, under some of most densely populated neighborhoods in the nation, when population is only going to increase, questioning the demand is odd.
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Old 03-21-2012, 04:53 PM
 
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…and the award for most confusing CD post goes to this. It might not be perfect, but no route is. At least it's on the verge of being built.
If you look at Wingfeathers posts, he has a bit of a grudge against LA. Sometimes people just can't get over bitter, negative experience.
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Old 03-21-2012, 05:07 PM
 
Location: LBC
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If you look at Wingfeathers posts, he has a bit of a grudge against LA. Sometimes people just can't get over bitter, negative experience.
I once felt the same way about a girl. Until I realized she was simply out of my league.

And you have to understand that "_______ to Nowhere" is a completely involuntary response of many Americans when presented with transportation projects that are opposed by think tanks funded by oil interests. They are powerless to resist its utterance. Even if "nowhere" is the second most populated city in America.
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Old 03-21-2012, 07:25 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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2011 Ridership & My 2030 Projections for Heavy Rail in North America , with TOD , Extensions and General growth factored in...i'm probably slightly off...

1. New York - 5.7 Million > 6.8 Million (2030) : 656 mi > 667 mi (2030)
2. Washington - 961,500 > 1.8 Million (2030) : 106.3 Mi > 129.3 Mi (2030)
3. Chicago - 713,500 > 1.2 Million (2030) : 224.2 mi > 236.8 Mi (2030)
4. Boston - 525,600 > 580,000 (2030) : 34 Mi > 40 Mi (2030)
5. San Francisco - 379,300 > 520,000 (2030) : 104 Mi > 153 Mi (2030)
6. Philadelphia - 342,800 > 510,000 (2030) : 24.9 Mi > 41.8 Mi (2030)
7. Newark-Jersey City (PATH) - 259,600 > 314,000 (2030) : 13.8Mi > 18.3 Mi (2030)
8. Atlanta - 225,300 > 380,000 (2030) : 48 Mi > N/A (2030)
9. Los Angeles - 142,600 > 570,000 (2030) : 22.4 Mi > 38.9 Mi (2030)
10. Miami - 63,300 > 83,000 (2030) : 22.4 Mi > 45.4 Mi (2030)
11. Baltimore - 50,200 > 108,000 (2030) : 14.2 Mi > 23.7 Mi (2030)
12. San Juan - 43,800 > 74,000 (2030) : 10.7Mi > 11.2 Mi (2030)
13. Camden-Lindenwold (Patco) - 36,600 > 72,000 (2030) : 14.2 Mi > N/A (2030)
14. Cleveland - 17,800 > 45,000 (2030) : 19 Mi > N/A (2030)
15. New York (Staten Island) - 17,300 > 25,000 (2030) : 14Mi > 26Mi (2030)
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Old 03-21-2012, 07:31 PM
 
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Didn't realize the boardings/route miles between DC Metro and Atlanta MARTA were that different (more than double).

Sidebar: An extra 50 miles of BART? They're not going to Marin, so where are they going in the next 18 years?
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Old 03-21-2012, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Miracle Mile, CA
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That was Metro's plan for a subway spur in West Hollywood before they shelved it.

WeHo would have made sense only if the line could have continued into Beverly Hills (there's no way around that city) and then further West/South. The proposal by WeHo was to go into WeHo and then turnaround. Not exactly something Metro saw as making any sense.

I'll tell you this though. Going into WeHo during Halloween would be a lot simpler if we could just Metro in.
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Old 03-24-2012, 01:02 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Didn't realize the boardings/route miles between DC Metro and Atlanta MARTA were that different (more than double).

Sidebar: An extra 50 miles of BART? They're not going to Marin, so where are they going in the next 18 years?
When you factor in the EBART to Antioch , San Jose BART extension , Livermore Extension of BART , Hercules extension BART or EBART extension , and Warm Springs and Berryessa BART extension comes out to 50-70miles....plans seem to vary.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Thought I would share this article:

Commentary: Subway Debate Turns Uncivil, Nasty - Beverly Hills, CA Patch

I would recommend reading the article, but more importantly read the comments section. This John Mirisch guy is really embarrassing himself, it is hard to believe he is an elected official (totally getting trolled LOL). I believe Mirisch is the Vice Mayor of Beverly Hills... and what is so incredible about his hard-line position is that it seems like there is close to nobody in Beverly Hills that comes to his defense in these articles. It's basically him trying to plug holes in the dam all by himself, and Vice Mayor Mirisch honestly looks like a fool.

I've heard theories that this whole hubbub is due to the Southwest Beverly Hills homeowners association being worried that a subway under their homes will decrease the value, but that sounded selfish (which it absolutely is) so they tried to use the high school as a diversion.

When the two ludicrous law suits get struck down (it looks like that is the case), hopefully the people of Beverly Hills take a stand and vote that idiot Mirisch out of office (as well as Lisa Korbatov, the school board president. It is just a shame the city cannot recoup the hundreds of thousands these two self-promoting politicians of the worst degree have wasted. At the same school board meeting that they approved budget cuts for the next school year, they approved paying a DC lobbying firm throughout the course of the lawsuit. Glad to see they have their priorities straight.

Say what you will about Villaraigosa, but could you imagine him on message boards, trolling comment sections as a way of getting his point across????

Anyways... rant over/
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Eastchester, Bronx, NY
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I read there's a 39-story tower about to go up at Avenue of the Stars and Santa Monica Blvd next to the Century City Mall - so BH will likely be pointing to that as a reason the station can be safely built there.

I think the worst case scenario is the Purple Line getting extended only to Fairfax, which would suck - but if BH has their way, this might end up happening.
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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I read there's a 39-story tower about to go up at Avenue of the Stars and Santa Monica Blvd next to the Century City Mall - so BH will likely be pointing to that as a reason the station can be safely built there.

I think the worst case scenario is the Purple Line getting extended only to Fairfax, which would suck - but if BH has their way, this might end up happening.
I think they would just skip Century City, though it will still go to Westwood. I think federal funding requires that it extends that far as that was the basis of the funding. If BH does "win" this case I think the line should be built to La Cienega, which is what Phase I currently is, and then rerouted around Beverly Hills, maybe a stop at Pico/Robertson.
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