Ethics Committee Finds Mayor Tony Guilty of 30 Campaign Finance Violations (Los Angeles: condo, job)

[James T]

This evening Kevin James reported this news story. Honestly, though, is anybody surprised? What more can one expect from a mayor who's a former gang member, former member of MEChA, and a four time bar exam flunky?

[greggd]

Originally Posted by James T

This evening Kevin James reported this news story. Honestly, though, is anybody surprised? What more can one expect from a mayor who's a former gang member, former member of MEChA, and a four time bar exam flunky?

He also uses about twice as much water as his neighbors, blames it on a leaking sprinkler pipe, then asks everyone to conserve water.. cut down on showers etc...

But, he was outhosed by Rocky, the Rock, Degadillo and his outlaw wife who not only used twice as much as neighbors, but didnt bother to pay their utility bills forcing DWP to shut down the City Titan's water supply for awhile.

[snb3]

Originally Posted by greggd

He also uses about twice as much water as his neighbors, blames it on a leaking sprinkler pipe, then asks everyone to conserve water.. cut down on showers etc...

But, he was outhosed by Rocky, the Rock, Degadillo and his outlaw wife who not only used twice as much as neighbors, but didnt bother to pay their utility bills forcing DWP to shut down the City Titan's water supply for awhile.

sounds like 3rd-world politicos behavior.....

[majoun]

Originally Posted by snb3

sounds like 3rd-world politicos behavior.....

Unfamiliar with the history of New Orleans or Chicago politics? Or for that matter LA's political history? Seems like Bradley and Riordan were our only non "3rd world" mayors.

(I can't comment on Yorty's predecessors as they were before my time, but Yorty certainly was "third world" in governing style. And the old LAPD would have fit in well in some third world dictatorship....)

[JackSparrow]

A corrupt politician!?!?! *GASP* NO!!

[snb3]

Originally Posted by majoun

Unfamiliar with the history of New Orleans or Chicago politics? Or for that matter LA's political history? Seems like Bradley and Riordan were our only non "3rd world" mayors.

(I can't comment on Yorty's predecessors as they were before my time, but Yorty certainly was "third world" in governing style. And the old LAPD would have fit in well in some third world dictatorship....)

Not familiar with other cities as I am an Angelino nor does it matter. And no reason to make any comparisions. The persons brought up are a disgrace not only as politicians but simply as citizens (unless you condone repeated abuse of any and all power, rampant and endless adulteries and felonies,etc) Other than those traits, they are just like me.

And I'd take the "old LAPD" & Darryl Gates over the current "one arm tied behind the back" Special Order limited LAPD (unless I am an "undocumented").

[majoun]

Originally Posted by snb3

Not familiar with other cities as I am an Angelino

It's Angelenos like you that give all of us a bad reputation for ignorance and obliviousness to everything beyond our own little part of the country. And remember that even so called "White American" Angelenos mostly came directly from other cities, Chicago and New Orleans included amongst others,
and most of us born here are first generation.

nor does it matter.

Political corruption has a long history in the US. Admit it.

And no reason to make any comparisions. The persons brought up are a disgrace not only as politicians but simply as citizens (unless you condone repeated abuse of any and all power, rampant and endless adulteries and felonies,etc)

If you're talking about Yorty and Hahn, I agree. Especially Yorty.

Other than those traits, they are just like me.

And I'd take the "old LAPD" & Darryl Gates over the current "one arm tied behind the back" Special Order limited LAPD (unless I am an "undocumented").

Don't realize that Special Order 40 was originated and implemented by Gates? Also, with a better police department, the nasty events of April 1992 would probably have never happened.

[snb3]

Originally Posted by majoun

It's Angelenos like you that give all of us a bad reputation for ignorance and obliviousness to everything beyond our own little part of the country. And remember that even so called "White American" Angelenos are by and large first generation, and many came from other cities, Chicago and New Orleans included.



Political corruption has a long history in the US. Admit it.



If you're talking about Yorty and Hahn, I agree. Especially Yorty.



Don't realize that Special Order 40 was originated and implemented by Gates? Also, with a better police department, the nasty events of April 1992 would probably have never happened.

Who's being ignorant? Don't know about you but you couldn't be more wrong with me or where I've been & lived. I guess it makes me a "bad" citizen that I work for a living (legally that is) and want my property and home to be safe and secure and want others to respect that. But you're right in that I AM a citizen. And should I apologize for being "oblivious" to what goes around near me? Sorry but I'm too busy cleaning up the graffitti, securing my property from repeated trespassess to think as broad minded as yourself. But go ahead and ass-u-me. You've proven to be good at that.

Tell us all who the biggest backers of #40 are at this moment.

And like I mentioned, no need to mention other wrongs to justify what you can't justify. Thanks for proving every one of my points.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by snb3

Who's being ignorant? Don't know about you but you couldn't be more wrong with me or where I've been & lived. I guess it makes me a "bad" citizen that I work for a living (legally that is) and want my property and home to be safe and secure and want others to respect that.

Bratton has done a better job of protecting you and the rest of us than Gates has. I no longer live within LAPD jurisdiction, but most of my friends and family do. And they seem to have fewer problems with graffiti, break-ins, and violence in their neighborhoods today than they did in the Gates years. For example, compare the level of crime in, for example, Echo Park today, with the level of crime there in the Gates years. Compare the level of crime in, for example, Venice today, with the level of crime there in the Gates years. Compare even the level of crime in the "good areas" like West LA or Mar Vista today with the level of crime in the Gates years. There is no doubt that crime is down long-term and the LAPD has improved. While LA still has too much crime, the number of homicides in the early 90s was twice the number that exists today. (I realize that the San Fernando Valley has gotten worse since then, but that's not so much the fault of the LAPD as changed demographics and the loss of the GM plant and the aerospace industry.)

As for LA's former mayors, yes, they all had their flaws. Bradley in his first three terms, given the hand which he was dealt, and given the complete dysfunctionality of the old City Charter, probably did as good a job as anyone could have. His fifth term was a disaster across the board, however. As for Dick Riordan, he did manage to leave two lasting accomplishments: getting rid of the old City Charter, probably the worst political document in the entire US, and establishing civilian control over the police department.

(Note: I have met every LA mayor in my lifetime EXCEPT for Yorty and Hahn. )

As a so-called "white" male, I do feel safer in LA today than I did in the late 80s and early 90s.

You throw around terms like "third world" while discounting the history of the rest of the USA (or for that matter the history of Los Angeles). You probably have never been in an actual third world country and thus have no idea what it's like. You just show your ignorance regarding everything other than your limited, narrow minded perceptions. It's "Angelenos" like you that give all of us a bad name.

[snb3]

Originally Posted by majoun

Bratton has done a better job of protecting you and the rest of us than Gates has. I no longer live within LAPD jurisdiction, but most of my friends and family do. And they seem to have fewer problems with graffiti, break-ins, and violence in their neighborhoods today than they did in the Gates years. For example, compare the level of crime in, for example, Echo Park today, with the level of crime there in the Gates years. Compare the level of crime in, for example, Venice today, with the level of crime there in the Gates years. Compare even the level of crime in the "good areas" like West LA or Mar Vista today with the level of crime in the Gates years. There is no doubt that crime is down long-term and the LAPD has improved. While LA still has too much crime, the number of homicides in the early 90s was twice the number that exists today. (I realize that the San Fernando Valley has gotten worse since then, but that's not so much the fault of the LAPD as changed demographics and the loss of the GM plant and the aerospace industry.)

As for LA's former mayors, yes, they all had their flaws. Bradley in his first three terms, given the hand which he was dealt, and given the complete dysfunctionality of the old City Charter, probably did as good a job as anyone could have. His fifth term was a disaster across the board, however. As for Dick Riordan, he did manage to leave two lasting accomplishments: getting rid of the old City Charter, probably the worst political document in the entire US, and establishing civilian control over the police department.

(Note: I have met every LA mayor in my lifetime EXCEPT for Yorty and Hahn. )

As a so-called "white" male, I do feel safer in LA today than I did in the late 80s and early 90s.

You throw around terms like "third world" while discounting the history of the rest of the USA (or for that matter the history of Los Angeles). You probably have never been in an actual third world country and thus have no idea what it's like. You just show your ignorance regarding everything other than your limited, narrow minded perceptions. It's "Angelenos" like you that give all of us a bad name.

Maybe you should move back here. Even though I worked in LA before moving in, I didn't see all that I see now. This post was about certain leaders of LA now, not before. You did not once mention their lack of character. Or are those characteristics ok with you. You continually bring up others who misbehaved. Is that your basis of judgment? Is their behavior relative to the past and ok by your standards? To you, I'm a BAD citizen to criticize whats current? Or is it because I wholeheartedly disagree with you. Is every person you disagree with a "BAD" person?

Sorry to say but I feel safer in some of those places than I do in LA and I just want LA to be better and it starts at the top. Now wanting better out of where you live and expecting higher standards out of your civic leaders makes me a "bad Angelino?"

Now you can call me names and accuse me of being whatever out of your own ignorance and make assumptions of me to your liking but I know when I see what I called "3rd world", I was born in one. Tell me, is that a term you use out of first-hand knowledge as I?