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Old 05-24-2012, 12:25 PM
 
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We can't legislate everything!
Tell that to the politicians.
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Old 05-24-2012, 12:27 PM
 
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Plastic grocery bags fit perfectly in my bathroom trash cans. Do they even sell plastic trash bags that small? I also use them to keep dirty baby clothes isolated in the bag. I suspect a lot of people are going to start hoarding and maybe swiping bags to stock up before they're gone. And taxing paper bags is just a money grab.
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Old 05-24-2012, 12:33 PM
 
Location: SLC, UT, Ketchum, ID, Southern Cal.
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This is truly ridiculous. I, too, reuse plastic bags for pet waste. What am I going to do eventually - drive to Ventura County to get these bags, or order them online? Either choice creates more gasoline used or shipping materials, all so I can get the plastic bags that I was reusing appropriately?

I realize that people litter. People also swear in public, spit on the sidewalks, play loud music in their vehicles at 3:00 a.m., etc. We can't legislate everything!
This is California. We can certainly try.




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Old 05-24-2012, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Not where I want to be.
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Are they banning ALL plastic bags or just ones used for groceries or at retail stores? Sorry, I couldn't read through all of the posts. Are they banning the sale of plastic trash bags and liners as well?

Why is cutting down more trees okay for the environmet but re-using plastic bags from the grocery not? Plastic is recyclable. You can't very well re-use paper bags. I understand the use of the environmentally friendly bags, but if they are insisting on them, they should not charge you for using them by making you purchase them.

Will you be fined for using the bags if you currently have them or get them when shopping elsewhere?

I do find this incredibly silly with all the other more important issues that Los Angeles shoudl be dealing with. Maybe start by getting homeless people off the streets would be a better thing.
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Old 05-24-2012, 01:48 PM
 
Location: SLC, UT, Ketchum, ID, Southern Cal.
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Are they banning ALL plastic bags or just ones used for groceries or at retail stores? Sorry, I couldn't read through all of the posts. Are they banning the sale of plastic trash bags and liners as well?

Why is cutting down more trees okay for the environmet but re-using plastic bags from the grocery not? Plastic is recyclable. You can't very well re-use paper bags. I understand the use of the environmentally friendly bags, but if they are insisting on them, they should not charge you for using them by making you purchase them.

Will you be fined for using the bags if you currently have them or get them when shopping elsewhere?

I do find this incredibly silly with all the other more important issues that Los Angeles shoudl be dealing with. Maybe start by getting homeless people off the streets would be a better thing.
Banning "single use" plastic shopping bags at grocery stores, 711 type stores, gas stations, etc. Retail clothing type stores are exempt (I believe, although I haven't seen the actual City of LA code, but I'm sure its similar to the Santa Monica code, which i have studied).

Plastic bags were invented to save trees - ironic, I agree.

Not banning the sale of plastic trash bags for sale in stores, just the "free" ones given when you check out at the market.

No, doubtful if they will fine you if you bring your own plastic bags.

Agreed - yes - silly.
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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In a recent test is was found that fully 97% of shoppers do NOT wash their reusable bags. A sample showed that 84% of the bags tested had some form of bacteria and 12% had E. Coli bacteria.

Which pretty much supports what I have believed all along. Environmentalists would really prefer it if all the humans on the planet would simply go away and die. Except them, of course.

Meanwhile, as we save the environment from the dreaded plastic bag, MILLIONS OF TONS of tsunami debris has begun to wash up on shore in Alaska.

Man plans and God laughs.
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Old 05-24-2012, 04:29 PM
 
Location: 10110001010110100
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Long Beach has the ban. Its a good thing. Adjust.
Who says it is a good thing? What are the re-useable bags are made out of?
Trash bags sold in stores are a lot harder to dissolve than the plastic shopping bags. Production of paper is also very harmful to environment not to mention the stink.
If paper is truly that much better then fine, switch but why charge the customers, after all we weren't paying for the plastic bags?
It is nothing but a scam disguised as a "good for the environment" idea.

This is how adjusted:
- Shop locally for a few urgent items that I can carry
- Save the big shopping for Lakewood on the weekends
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Old 05-24-2012, 04:42 PM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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This is truly ridiculous. I, too, reuse plastic bags for pet waste. What am I going to do eventually
Use your hand. Then go outside and yell at the world for the injustice raining down from the gods. California's aquatic habitats thank you.
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Old 05-24-2012, 05:21 PM
 
Location: St. Paul, MN
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12% had E. Coli bacteria.
This.

Seems like the legislators made a hasty decision to address the one-sided Issue of the Day without learning and understanding all the consequences.

I'm glad I don't live in California.
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Old 05-24-2012, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Mt Washington: NELA
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My wife and I have been bringing our own bags to the market for years now. Made sense to us. We keep the bags in the trunk. We have lots of them 'in rotation.' Less crap to throw away. It works for us. I don't see it as being the first step toward Socialism or whatnot.
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