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View Poll Results: Would you vote for a modest sales tax increase to support subway construction?
Yes 24 80.00%
No 6 20.00%
Not sure 0 0%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 04-30-2012, 07:11 PM
 
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Originally Posted by 1200RT View Post
No.

But ... if you can't afford it, don't build it.
A .1% sales tax increase IS affordable. If you were to spend $100,000 a year on consumer products, that's only $100. Most people spend far far less than that. Those that do spend this much won't even notice it or care.
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Old 04-30-2012, 07:20 PM
 
Location: SLC, UT, Ketchum, ID, Southern Cal.
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The point here is VERY simple. The State takes in an extreme amount of money via taxes of all sorts. They spend it very unwisely. The amount of this fictional tax you're speaking of is not the point.

Say you have a spouse who spends too much money on shopping. They are constantly asking for more money to buy stuff. Eventually you say no. The spouse then comes back and says "well, you make $500k per year, $100 on these shoes is nothing for you". This is what you proposed to me in your post.

While that very well may be true, you are still feeding the beast. The CA Government has done nothing in recent years to prove they can spend wisely.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:01 PM
 
Location: anywhere but Seattle
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A .1% increase is only $1.00 on a $1,000 purchase. Would you bother to waste the time and gas to save a buck or two? In most cases, the gas would cost more than any savings.
I would rather give $5 to an oil company than $1 to the government.
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Originally Posted by 1200RT View Post
The point here is VERY simple. The State takes in an extreme amount of money via taxes of all sorts. They spend it very unwisely. The amount of this fictional tax you're speaking of is not the point.

Say you have a spouse who spends too much money on shopping. They are constantly asking for more money to buy stuff. Eventually you say no. The spouse then comes back and says "well, you make $500k per year, $100 on these shoes is nothing for you". This is what you proposed to me in your post.

While that very well may be true, you are still feeding the beast. The CA Government has done nothing in recent years to prove they can spend wisely.
BINGO
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Carlsbad
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I'm really surprised at this thread. One would think you Californians are taxed out of your behinds already. Now you have no problem paying yet ANOTHER tax increase? I am at a total loss.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:43 PM
 
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As a southeastern LA County resident, no, since Measure R didn't do crap for SE LAC and this proposal won't, either. Tired of being neglected while paying taxes... if it goes up again it will just mean more people shopping in OC for big budget items to avoid the taxes
Actually Measure R does fund the eastern extension of the Gold Line beyond East LA to at least Whittier serving southwest LA County communities in between. It will turn SOUTH and the EAST making cities like Downey have a rail option. That extension is not nearly as publicized as the Subway Westside extension, but the 60 Fwy option has been eliminated and now the question is which street (Washington Ave. is predicted to have the most ridership) they will use to proceed WEST and which street EAST.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:48 PM
 
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What's being proposed now, is a ballot initiative NOT to increase the Measure R tax nor any new taxes, but to extend the current Measure R tax indefinitely, just like the other TWO 0.5 cent transit taxes we have in LA County. This is proposed because the 30/10, now renamed America Fast Forward, initiative while having popularity among even both Republicans and Democrats, has really slowed down because this is an election year and the House is reluctant to make the President look good this year.

So, the idea is that if we extend the tax indefinitely, we could build the projects in much less time and for LESS money (costs increase as time passes) and pay for it with current and future proceeds from Measure R beyond the original sunset date.

It seems a reasonable solution. It has to be approved by the MTA and LA County Supervisors, and looks like it will. The only opponent is LA County Supe Antonovich--of course. But we don't need his vote anyway. There are enough that will carry this through to the ballot. Then it can be placed on the ballot. We shall see what the voters say.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:17 AM
 
Location: LB/OC for now...
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Actually Measure R does fund the eastern extension of the Gold Line beyond East LA to at least Whittier serving southwest LA County communities in between. It will turn SOUTH and the EAST making cities like Downey have a rail option. That extension is not nearly as publicized as the Subway Westside extension, but the 60 Fwy option has been eliminated and now the question is which street (Washington Ave. is predicted to have the most ridership) they will use to proceed WEST and which street EAST.
Downey has rail options very close by(as in, they border or run through the city), Green Line and Metrolink. And Whittier isn't southeast LA County. It's in the northern half of LA county as far as the eastern border is concerned
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:37 PM
 
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I would rather give $5 to an oil company than $1 to the government.
That makes you illogical, spending 400% more out of some misguided ideology is idiotic and counterproductive. You lessen your return and enhance your output, you are literally throwing away money.
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Old 05-15-2012, 10:24 PM
 
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The redline should go at least one stop further north to Valley Plaza (one and only smart idea from Tom LaBonge) to make it more enticing to developers. It's clearly turned around (or enhanced) most of the stops along the redline. Definitely would pay additional tax dollars if the Valley got some share of it.
Brilliant idea! That area has so much potential. We need a mall over there. Developers will rush to develop. one can only hope though. I heard anyway that if the redline would be extended, it would make a turn to Burbank/Sun Valley area.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:08 AM
 
Location: South Korea
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The point here is VERY simple. The State takes in an extreme amount of money via taxes of all sorts. They spend it very unwisely.
Ever sit in a bus or try to drive on the West Side? It sucks balls. A subway through there would be pretty much the wisest use of money the state/county/city could make. Sure beats throwing money into the endless black hole of prisons and pensions.
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