Los Angeles and the illegal immigration problem (Guadalupe: purchase, tax)

[UB50]

So you're saying you approve of foreign nationals, many illegal, getting complete medical coverage for free or a genuine pittance in the U.S. when tax-paying American citizens cannot?

This confuses me. If an American can pay taxes, then they are making money, yes? Why should they qualify for free medical care? We do not have a National healthcare system (like other countries) that benefits taxpaying citizens. Free emergency healthcare is available for American citizens who are indigent or have no money. Nursing homes are full of people like this.

[snb3]

Originally Posted by UB50

This confuses me. If an American can pay taxes, then they are making money, yes? Why should they qualify for free medical care? We do not have a National healthcare system (like other countries) that benefits taxpaying citizens. Free emergency healthcare is available for American citizens who are indigent or have no money. Nursing homes are full of people like this.

You're right, legal taxpaying citizens deserve no social benefit since they make a dime & should be "able" to afford it; 40% of their pay goes to support programs for those who pay none. Additionally, they should wait 3 months to see a doctor for 90 seconds the govt assigns them.
Illegal immigrants do deserve basic healthcare not entitled to legal wage earners and they get it. Its called Medical, what legal taxpayers fund but cannot equally access. Illegal recipients don't pay for visits so they come in for any & everything. The same doctor, I would have to pay $40 for an office visit. Medical pays the same doctor $12/month of unlimited visits. Do the math. The greater picture, Mexico has the most efficient & cost effective social security program. Its called the US Taxpayer. Excellent business model, our country should adopt it.

Nursing homes, in majority, are full of people who paid a lifetime into the SS system. You consider it free, I consider it a prepayment plan, something people my age are paying into, might not be able to use.

You're confused? I'm confused how mis-informed someone who seems intelligent like yourself could be.

Prop 187 was ruled unconstitutional by, in part, the same interest groups who supports open borders. So the power of the LEGAL people, who spoke with their votes, was stripped by the interest groups who supports those who cannot vote.

[Blue Grass Fever]

Originally Posted by cdelena

I can't tell if they are illegal but suspect it when they are involved in a traffic accident, have no documentation, don't speak English, and run when the police are called.

Happened to me too, in Phoenix, at a four-way stop sign. The car blew a stop sign and smashed into another car while looking at a patrol car at the stop sign and wouldn't you know it, everybody started to run away from the scene and the police officers were laughing their as#es off. I believe they got a few suspects that fled.

[UB50]

Originally Posted by snb3

You're right, legal taxpaying citizens deserve no social benefit since they make a dime & should be "able" to afford it; 40% of their pay goes to support programs for those who pay none. Additionally, they should wait 3 months to see a doctor for 90 seconds the govt assigns them.
Illegal immigrants do deserve basic healthcare not entitled to legal wage earners and they get it. Its called Medical, what legal taxpayers fund but cannot equally access. Illegal recipients don't pay for visits so they come in for any & everything. The same doctor, I would have to pay $40 for an office visit. Medical pays the same doctor $12/month of unlimited visits. Do the math.

I took someone with a medical emergency to the county hospital once. They were dropped off around 5:30 a.m. By 5:00 p.m., they still had not seen a doctor. When they finally did get in to see a doctor (in the evening), they were told to return the following day to pickup the prescription they needed (which was a cheap generic antibiotic). All this to save $40? It was crazy but they didn't have the $40 for an office visit with a regular doctor and couldn't find a doctor that would take them without money. (This was a legal US citizen too.)

If we want to have free medical care for all citizens, then we should start pressing our lawmakers to provide it. Canada, England and a lot of other countries already have this type of system in place. Given the fact that many employers are no longer providing medical insurance, it might not be such a bad idea for the USA.

[Californiaguy2007]

What people need to do is stop running away and stop ignoring the problems of Illegal Immigration.

Stay put in California and fix the problems we are faced with.

[gringo istmeño]

Originally Posted by Caliguy29

What people need to do is stop running away and stop ignoring the problems of Illegal Immigration.

Stay put in California and fix the problems we are faced with.

Yes sir, but.....what if we want to go somewhere else? Anyways, isn`t this a problem anywhere you go in the US?

[Californiaguy2007]

If Americans want to live in other parts of the Country,that's fine with me,but when people run away and are trying to escape the problems of Illegal Immigration,then that's when they should just stay put and fix the problems were faced with,because no matter where you run to,sooner or later you will have to deal with the problems of Illegal Immigration since it's spreading all over this Country,it's just more noticeable here in California and the Southwest States since were closer to the Border.

Originally Posted by gringo istmeño

Yes sir, but.....what if we want to go somewhere else? Anyways, isn`t this a problem anywhere you go in the US?

[newportbeachsmostwanted]

It is predicted that amnesty will be granted to some 12 million illegal immigrants with the dems takeover. It seems democrats in Massachusetts could really care less about illegals impact on Los Angeles. LA is going to deal with what?! -about 60% of the strain.

Ridiculous!

Didn't we learn from our last amnesty mistake? We're never going to "fix" California. The roads are going to continue to crumble.. Traffic is going to continue to become worse.. More illegals will find their way in. Border or no border fence-it's not going to work without a comprehensive enforcement plan. Why the hell aren't local police enforcing this? LA has been deemed by city authorities as a national "illegal immigrant sanctuary!" -no lies! What's wrong with enforcing a federal crime? If LAPD does it all the time-how is immigration different? It would be like the LAPD to enforce stealing from a mailbox.

What message are we sending to our illegal immigrants and our country- if we grant amnesty? It undoubtly degrades our law system.


All democrats say is "let them come out of the shadows..." "let them come out.." boo hoo hooo . shed me a tear darling. To them-their life in "the shadows," (which democrats make seem is so terrible) is more like living for FREE at the ritz carlton. They love it. We keep providing them rooms, and they do keep coming. Their stay has been lengthy and the bill has been high. -But they are still say let's EXCUSE ALL OF THEM!

[UB50]

I think the solution has been brought up over and over again. It seems like people choose to ignore it.

WE NEED STIFFER FINES FOR THOSE WHO HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS! A $10,000 fine is NOTHING to many businesses. Why don't we try passing a law where business owners would spend a year in jail for hiring illegals?! A $100,000 fine for each illegal employee!

Many of them would quit coming here if there was NO CHANCE of getting employment!

[fastfilm]

Hear, hear! See, we agree on somehing, UB50.

Newportsmost wanted, the LAPD is legally constrained from acting upon an apprehended criminal's legal or illegal immigration status by Special Order 40.