Los Angeles and the illegal immigration problem (Vincent: house, rent)

[gfluneedit]

Originally Posted by gringo istmeño

But if you have been so wrong about so many other points on this issue, how are we supposed to know if you are correct this time? You think there are twice as many illegal immigrants as there really are, you think Mexico and Central America are communist, which they aren`t. You say Spanish is inferior and not modern, and that illegal immigrants are all dirty, that they don`t know how to speak. You say they want hand-outs from American families. You say France owes us their lives, or something like that. Everyone of your posts contains some form of BS, so I`m calling BS on your "what the vast majority of Americans want" - See what happens when you exaggerate and stereotype? Your credibility diminishes. You have made me aware of nothing other than the fact that you can`t speak Spanish, and despise anyone who does.

They don't come here for handout?

There was no WW2 ?

There are no health problems in the news related to food?

Mexico and central america is modern yet the come here ?

The border gaurds lie when they say they apprehend less than one 1 out of 5 illegals ?

And you also think I'm mistaken when I say that the majority of americans want these illegals deported ?


All I can say to you is that you are drinking too much of the water in Mexico

[gfluneedit]

Originally Posted by Des_Demona

Gringo- I don't like how I'm being forced to speak a language different from English when I live in America. I'm frustrated with illegal immigration and refusing to speak Spanish or participate in social programs that help them is my personal way of boycotting illegal immigration. That and reporting companies that hire illegals and voting in a way that is in line with what I believe.

If I learned Spanish and got a job in a social program in the LA area I would be mostly helping/treating illegal immigrants and my knowledge and abilities will be wasted on criminals when I could be helping non-criminal, American citizens. I'd rather take a pay cut then go through EXTRA education, pay money so I can learn their language and help people who aren't even contributing to our society even slightly. I would be very dissatisfied with my job and life if I were to do that. That is why I am leaving to a place less overrun by illegal immigrants where they will not require me to speak Spanish. You could say that I got pi**ed off that my career opportunities came to a halt when illegal immigrants flooded California... that is essentially what happened.

And gfluneedit - will you please shut up? You are misquoting things, ranting, being closed-minded, not able to put out a comprehensible sentence, putting up fake or incorrect statistics trying to get your point across and it is making you look very... dumb. Please just stop... it's embarassing.

Listen son .....none of my statisics are fake I include links.

You must be among the fightened who don't want the truth.

You just go on being scared like a little girl and leave the cogent arguements for me to handle, because they are beyond your scope and comprehension.

[gringo istmeño]

Originally Posted by gfluneedit

The order of the day should be....you keep your cell clean...your mouth shut..and when you are on the chain gang you get your work done or you won't be fed.

And when we deport you don't come back or your next prison term will be triple the amount of time.

Great plan! 12 million new prisoners!! Or is it 25 million? Good luck with that....Let me guess- we stick 25 to a cell? How do we feed all of them?

[Des_Demona]

Scared little girl? You definitely don't know much about me You really ought to leave the adult arguments to the adults gfluneedit. This thread has gotten ridiculous. Name calling and no real discussion happening. A lot of back and forth nonsense perpetuated by a wing-nut (gluneedit). Where's the moderator? I think this thread needs enlightenment...

[gringo istmeño]

Originally Posted by gfluneedit

They don't come here for handout?

There was no WW2 ?

There are no health problems in the news related to food?

Mexico and central america is modern yet the come here ?

The border gaurds lie when they say they apprehend less than one 1 out of 5 illegals ?

And you also think I'm mistaken when I say that the majority of americans want these illegals deported ?


All I can say to you is that you are drinking too much of the water in Mexico

No they don`t come here for handouts, they come here for jobs.
Yes there was WWII, and no, the French don`t owe us their lives.
Yes, lots of health problems related to food, but not illegal immigrants.
Yes, Mexico is modern. You can find anything in Mexico that you can find in America. Better yet, tell us how Mexico is not modern.....
Border guards do lie sometimes, as a matter of fact. And they don`t know how many illegals they didn`t catch, because they didn`t see them! Anyways, your stat doesn`t illustrate that there are 25,000,000 illegals.
And finally, you forgot the word "vast", and I do believe the majority want illegals deported, but I don`t believe that the vast majority of people agree with you.

[gfluneedit]

Originally Posted by gringo istmeño

No they don`t come here for handouts, they come here for jobs.
Yes there was WWII, and no, the French don`t owe us their lives.
Yes, lots of health problems related to food, but not illegal immigrants.
Yes, Mexico is modern. You can find anything in Mexico that you can find in America. Better yet, tell us how Mexico is not modern.....
Border guards do lie sometimes, as a matter of fact. And they don`t know how many illegals they didn`t catch, because they didn`t see them! Anyways, your stat doesn`t illustrate that there are 25,000,000 illegals.
And finally, you forgot the word "vast", and I do believe the majority want illegals deported, but I don`t believe that the vast majority of people agree with you.

Well if 85%+ isn't the vast majority I don't know what you might define as the vast majority.

At any rate that you want to run from the numbers, we are living in a democracy and when the majority speaks the INS should be directed to load the illegals on buses and ship them the hell out.

[gfluneedit]

Here is a staggering statistic from the White House's own web site !!!
For the edification the ill informed posting here who think the numbers I quote are exaggerated.


The Administration's Border Security Strategy Is Getting Results. Since President Bush took office, agents have apprehended and sent home more than 6 million people entering the country illegally - including more than 400,000 with criminal records. Federal, State, local, and tribal law enforcement are working together. More than 600,000 illegal immigrants were apprehended through the Arizona Border Control Initiative last year - an increase of more than 50 percent increase over the previous year. The men and women of our Border Patrol have made good progress - but we have much more work ahead, and we will not be satisfied until our agents have full control of our border
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0060327-1.html

400,000 illegals with criminal records were sent home and probably have gotten back in.

These are just the ones they caught.

600.000 were turned away at the Arizona border in one year alone.
That is only on the ARizona border.
The border patrol routinely announces they they only apprehend 1 in 5 trying to get in.

So now you are starting to get the facts as I teach you how far off from reality you are.

See the lightbulb at the top of this post.
Is the lightbulb starting to go on for you ?

[fastfilm]

Ya know, when quite a few posters who actually agree with your P.O.V. are telling you to, perchance, put a cork in it or learn to self-edit, perhaps you might take the hint that you're not "getting through." Do you live in Los Angeles even? Do you know how people who break laws affect you personally rather than abstractly?

For the record, I live amongst illegals here, have had way too many unpleasant personal encounters; agree with DesDemona that rather than learn the foreign language of a country I have zero interest in, professionally or socially, I plan to move away permanently forever (I can hear UB50, NY2Cali and the one clapping their hands in glee! It's okay- we're all in this together for the time being) (and I would prefer to learn Japanese, Swahili or more French for social, educational and professional reasons- Chinese would just be too much at my age, and THAT'S the global business language one should learn in addition to English.)

I've tried to be part of solutions rather than complaining and have helped many, many people in my area with neighborhood activism and -wowee!- probably made the lives of the illegals better while they continue to make quality of life worse for me, because I was working towards a better L.A. for all; I've had 3 total car wrecks in the last 6 years caused by illegals; I combat graffiti and vandalism caused by the vendetta mentality of illegals and their beloved gangs here; have had certain avenues of employment that might have supplemented my freelancing in the dry spells closed off to me because illegals undercut all wages and demand Spanish-speaking; and can go for days hearing no English spoken whatsover unless my friends call me on the phone. This is life in L.A. for the non-rich, and my experiences are pretty typical.

And yet I'm saying your impersonal ranting is negating your own contentions. People read these forums to see what the specific problems of a community are. Personal experience and actual facts help in this. And by the by, INS is ICE now.

[SandyCo]

Fastfilm, you're awesome as usual! Thank you for stating what so many of us are thinking. I was trying to ignore him, because it seems that all he wants to do is find someone to argue with back and forth. I have little patience for that nonsense.

Do we have an illegal problem here in L.A.? Absolutely. No one living here would deny that. Reasonable solutions need to be considered, though. I don't think imprisoning 12 million people is at all reasonable!

Gfluneedit, continue to have your fantasies and live in a dream world. But please, stop posting now. You have more than made your point. You remind me of the ignorant people who say that we should just wipe out the Middle East; that would solve all of our problems. In reality, it would solve nothing, and would get us into deeper trouble with Arabs and muslims, not to mention the rest of the world's nations, than we are already! (Sorry for the rant and getting off track... I'm done now!)

[gfluneedit]

Originally Posted by fastfilm

Ya know, when quite a few posters who actually agree with your P.O.V. are telling you to, perchance, put a cork in it or learn to self-edit, perhaps you might take the hint that you're not "getting through." Do you live in Los Angeles even? Do you know how people who break laws affect you personally rather than abstractly?

For the record, I live amongst illegals here, have had way too many unpleasant personal encounters; agree with DesDemona that rather than learn the foreign language of a country I have zero interest in, professionally or socially, I plan to move away permanently forever (I can hear UB50, NY2Cali and the one clapping their hands in glee! It's okay- we're all in this together for the time being) (and I would prefer to learn Japanese, Swahili or more French for social, educational and professional reasons- Chinese would just be too much at my age, and THAT'S the global business language one should learn in addition to English.)

I've tried to be part of solutions rather than complaining and have helped many, many people in my area with neighborhood activism and -wowee!- probably made the lives of the illegals better while they continue to make quality of life worse for me, because I was working towards a better L.A. for all; I've had 3 total car wrecks in the last 6 years caused by illegals; I combat graffiti and vandalism caused by the vendetta mentality of illegals and their beloved gangs here; have had certain avenues of employment that might have supplemented my freelancing in the dry spells closed off to me because illegals undercut all wages and demand Spanish-speaking; and can go for days hearing no English spoken whatsover unless my friends call me on the phone. This is life in L.A. for the non-rich, and my experiences are pretty typical.

And yet I'm saying your impersonal ranting is negating your own contentions. People read these forums to see what the specific problems of a community are. Personal experience and actual facts help in this. And by the by, INS is ICE now.

It is huh ?

Wow.

And what are they achieving ?

Perhaps they along with along the pro open border posters who say that the figures I use are erronous should read this quote from Vincente Fox :http://www.vdare.com/awall/fox_madrid.htm

Mexican President Vicente Fox’s speech on “Mexican Foreign Policy in the 21st Century,” delivered in Madrid, Spain, on May 16, was completely ignored by the American media.


"The density and complexity of the themes of our bilateral agenda with the United States.... has a particular dimension for the presence of large Mexican communities settled in that country, more than 20 million Mexicans.”


See how ill informed they are ?

Ok?

Even the criminal president of Mexico agreed with the figures I used.
And those are only mexicans.

He has made many similar comments where he claimed he was the president of over 100 million mexicans 27 million of which are now in the USA.

Maybe you should worry more about the crimes committed then the sensitivities of the criminal who commit them.
Try to tell the parents of the 9 year old that had an axe buried in his face to be more sensitive.

I will readily admit that I don't react passively to all of this. That just isn't my make up.