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Old 10-31-2012, 12:46 PM
 
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The U.S. government can not do much because it doesn't control the money that is issued or circulated throughout our economy. Many people do not realize this, but you will always have grave levels of injustice and poverty when all of the money and resources are held in a few hands.

I sincerely believe that the most efficient way to end poverty and widespread income disparities is to eliminate the private international central banking system, better known as the "federal reserve."

I guess it's just far easier for people to believe that they are middle class, despite the fact that they are one paycheck away from not being able to cover their mortgage payment or rent. In essence, 99.9% of people who call themselves middle class are really part of the working poor.

Darn it! I've corrupted my own thread!
While I am not a big proponent of the "end of the fed" stuff, I still agree that the economy is run for the benefit of private interests.

I also agree with you that most Americans think they're "middle class", when they're really one paycheck away from total destitution.

Most Americans are working class or working poor.
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:11 PM
 
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While I am not a big proponent of the "end of the fed" stuff, I still agree that the economy is run for the benefit of private interests.

I also agree with you that most Americans think they're "middle class", when they're really one paycheck away from total destitution.

Most Americans are working class or working poor.
I'm just curious, why don't you agree with ending the federal reserve? The federal reserve is not a government agency or entity, it's actually a private international central banking system.
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:23 PM
 
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The Federal Reserve only serves to hoard infinite amounts of money, and stare at it, rather than putting that money back in the economy somehow. Whenever that happens, it's seen as socialism...like the government is "paying people to work". Only tax cuts are the answer according to the right.

The US government will pull out billions for this Hurricane relief effort. They'll always have money to invade another country if they want. There's always money for police and to expand jails. If the US criminal justice system were a company, it would be the largest in the world (even more profitable than Apple).

That's my opinion anyways...it's also a competition among the ultra-rich to see who can pool the most money. It's like when NFL teams to try to stay under the salary cap as far as they can, and just leave that money as a "buffer zone".

There's a reason WalMart's all over the country rarely ever have more than 4 checkout lanes open, when they have several more. Would have to pay more employees. Big companies are cheap.
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:23 PM
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Wait, you're suggesting that someone needs to save up at least 20K before moving? And how are they going to do that? That's 20 months of pocketing away all your money, and that's assuming you are able to do that.

Try not to generalize. I suppose I fit the bill that the OP is talking about, but I'm certainly not coming without a plan or a few grand and optimism.

I have to get out of where I am. I have plenty of savings, little work experience, and I will be living car-free in LA. Now you're right, most people just come out with very little savings and no plan. That's not me.

There was a poster on here last week who was wanting to move to LA with only 2 grand, and hoping to get a full-time job at McDonald's within a few weeks. People who do that are setting themself up for failure, I think.

I will have no job, no apartment, and won't know a soul. But that doesn't mean I don't have a plan. This is no different than people who do this moving to another city.

But yes, people who don't have a plan are only setting themself up to be homeless. However, you must realize that not everybody who moves out to LA to try to get into Hollywood does it that way.
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:37 PM
 
Location: SoCal, Idaho
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Wait, you're suggesting that someone needs to save up at least 20K before moving? And how are they going to do that? That's 20 months of pocketing away all your money, and that's assuming you are able to do that.

Try not to generalize. I suppose I fit the bill that the OP is talking about, but I'm certainly not coming without a plan or a few grand and optimism.

I have to get out of where I am. I have plenty of savings, little work experience, and I will be living car-free in LA. Now you're right, most people just come out with very little savings and no plan. That's not me.

There was a poster on here last week who was wanting to move to LA with only 2 grand, and hoping to get a full-time job at McDonald's within a few weeks. People who do that are setting themself up for failure, I think.

I will have no job, no apartment, and won't know a soul. But that doesn't mean I don't have a plan. This is no different than people who do this moving to another city.

But yes, people who don't have a plan are only setting themself up to be homeless. However, you must realize that not everybody who moves out to LA to try to get into Hollywood does it that way.
Except those other cities aren't *quite*as expensive as LA, with one-bedroom rents starting around $1300, near most expensive gas in the country, highest sales taxes in the country, etc., etc. It's just simply an expensive place to live, and people make the mistake you just made, relating to 'moving to just another city', and the ease of finding entry level work here. Incorrect.



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Old 10-31-2012, 01:40 PM
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Except those other cities aren't *quite*as expensive as LA, with one-bedroom rents starting around $1300, near most expensive gas in the country, highest sales taxes in the country, etc., etc. It's just simply an expensive place to live, and people make the mistake you just made, relating to 'moving to just another city', and the ease of finding entry level work here. Incorrect.



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And what mistake is that? LA might be expensive, but my monthly expenses would be the same as if I moved to any other big city in America. I could go to another city, but then I would not be able to further my writing career.

So again, what mistake?
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:49 PM
 
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Wait, you're suggesting that someone needs to save up at least 20K before moving? And how are they going to do that? That's 20 months of pocketing away all your money, and that's assuming you are able to do that.
I stated the following: It makes far more sense for these young people to stay in small town USA, until they are able to save at least 20K to make the move, if they do not have a job offer or reliable friends/family in L.A. that can offer some level of assistance, if/when they fall on hard-times.

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I will have no job, no apartment, and won't know a soul. But that doesn't mean I don't have a plan. This is no different than people who do this moving to another city.
How do you expect to survive after you run through your savings? Everyone's situation is different, but these are the types of questions that you should ask yourself, prior to relocating to any city, especially when you are trying to start from scratch w/out the support of close family and friends who care.

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But yes, people who don't have a plan are only setting themself up to be homeless. However, you must realize that not everybody who moves out to LA to try to get into Hollywood does it that way.
I'm sure there's a sizable number of people who move to L.A., due to the sunshine and beaches, but most are lured in by the hollywood dream. Again, I can't speak for all, I'm just simply relaying what I've personally observed.
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:53 PM
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I stated the following: It makes far more sense for these young people to stay in small town USA, until they are able to save at least 20K to make the move, if they do not have a job offer or reliable friends/family in L.A. that can offer some level of assistance, if/when they fall on hard-times.

How do you expect to survive after you run through your savings? Everyone's situation is different, but these are the types of questions that you should ask yourself, prior to relocating to any city, especially when you are trying to start from scratch w/out the support of close family and friends who care.

I'm sure there's a sizable number of people who move to L.A., due to the sunshine and beaches, but most are lured in by the hollywood dream. Again, I can't speak for all, I'm just simply relaying what I've personally observed.
I have asked myself all these things over and over again. Would you like to know how much savings I have, what my budget is, and how many months I can last without a job? I visited in June. Believe me, I am not coming because I think sunshine, beaches, and the Hollywood dream.

Please, you are generalizing. You may be going based off what you have personally seen, but it does not apply to everyone.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:07 PM
 
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I have asked myself all these things over and over again. Would you like to know how much savings I have, what my budget is, and how many months I can last without a job? I visited in June. Believe me, I am not coming because I think sunshine, beaches, and the Hollywood dream.

Please, you are generalizing. You may be going based off what you have personally seen, but it does not apply to everyone.

Truthfully, sometimes I strongly dislike visiting cousins and other relatives in L.A., because inevitably I come across one or more of their relatively young and naive friends, who moved from small town U.S.A. and is looking for support/assistance because things didn't end up as expected. Usually, these "friends" are looking for a place to stay and food to eat, but the reality is, they should have never relocated w/out a solid plan.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:11 PM
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Well, then good thing I have a rock solid plan. I was one of those people a few years ago who almost moved without a plan, so I know what you're talking about.
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