LA gangs now in a race war (Los Angeles, Oakland: luxury, live in)

[CLQ]

It is something that can be fixed when we figure out the root of the problem and why drugs come into play to kids' ultimate destruction. People all need hope that they can be law abiding citizens and somewhere along the line they get lost. It is sad and we shouldn't wish death on anyone. True, there are gangsters who kill but lead to them to get this way...that's where I'm getting at. If we can have some support groups, non-profits, etc. that can effectively keep the kids off the streets we can reduce the likelihood of kids even wanting to be affiliated with gangs. With my boys, I have to keep them busy with homework, sports and sleep...that is their life. Who knows what they are doing if they aren't kept busy. It's easy to slip and fall down the wrong path when many of your peers are doing the same. I can honestly see how it can happen. They then feel like there is no hope, no future get into drugs and it's all downhill from there. People aren't born evil...it's all society and if this is happening in our own backyard we need to all come up with a viable plan to stop it at it's source.

[downtown1]

Gang issue is a serious matter in LA.

"A bloody conflict between Hispanic and black gangs is spreading across Los Angeles. Hundreds are dying as whole districts face the threat of ethnic cleansing. Paul Harris reports from the epicentre of America's new urban warfare"

Gang mayhem grips LA | World | The Observer

Originally Posted by DaTownCryer

Now the gangs are fighting each other over race.The problem continues to get worse and nothing is being done about the gang problem.

Gang rivalry grows into race war - Los Angeles Times

[Vicman]

Maybe L.A. can do the following at the school level to curb gangs:
1. Allow for LAUSD schools to send the worst gang member/troublemaker kids to disciplinary boarding schools in rural areas (the district must get evidence of violent misconduct and repeated troubles with violence). The schools will still get state and federal money as if the kid attended the school in order to avoid penalizing the school. The worst troublemakers no longer harm classrooms, and the kid is removed from gang influences. The parents have no say in the decision, and the kid may be kept until he is 18.

2. LA could ask for judicial (Singapore-style) caning to be a sentence for violent gang crimes (see Caning in Singapore) - I'm not sure if caning could survive as a punishment (due to a ban of cruel and unusual punishments in the US Constitution) - But it would be interesting to see the effects of judicial caning on gang populations. A diagram of a Singapore caning is here: http://www.pathguy.com/lectures/caning.jpg (A step-by-step diagram is here: Singapore 2 )

3. Another penalty could be forced labor for gang members. The Constitution allows for forced labor of convicted criminals. Refusal to work could mean solitary confinement, poor-tasting food, caning (see above), extension of prison time, and other punishments.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by fastfilm

18Montclair, if I have your itinerary posted above correctly, you:

1- landed at Van Nuys airport in a chartered or private plane. Van Nuys does not permit commercial passenger airlines;
2- proceeded to a vastly cleaned up part of the white collar business district;
3- proceeded to a nice restaurant near Wilshire Blvd. near the Miracle Mile;
4- went to a toney West Hollywood address;
5- went to Westwood Village, one of the priciest areas in all L.A.;
6- proceeded to an upscale West Los Angeles home address;
5- went to a meeting in the Century City, West L.A., hub of the law profession for all L.A.;
5- went to visit the campus of the single most expensive private prep school in the entire Los Angeles basin;
6- then proceeded to one of the few really upscale parts of the Valley, Sherman Oaks, for an expensive specialty item, then proceeded to your private jet.

No wonder you had such fun! Your itinerary neatly managed to skirt, dare I say, the real L.A. of the non-rich, and our widely interspersed gangs.

This is as if I were to visit Mountain View, Woodside, etc. and claimed I saw the grittiest parts of the Bay Area. I'm also assuming that you're not as wary of real gangbangers as we locals are forced to be. Do you exactly which sports caps signify which gangs? I'm afraid we do.

LOL...gawd u people dont miss a beat.

Next time I'll leave out how I travel, where I go and what I eat.....sheesh.

Anyway,
I only meant to illustrate that this problem is not a plague on the whole of the city and it doesnt grip the entire 33,000 square mile metro area.

Heck,
for that matter, I visit relatives by LAX all the time and its not nearly as gentrified as the ones I happened to go to that day and I dont remember in the nearly 20 years of visiting that vast underclass area, really seeing all the violence the media portrays.

Not that it doesnt exist, but its not nearly as rampant as naysayers would have us believe.

[Slauson Rosecranz]

I'm willing to bet that if (or rather, when) a massive, all-consuming wildfire, or even the dreaded 'Big One', hit Los Angeles, all this gang and/or racial s**t would go right out the window...

[JackSparrow]

Originally Posted by Slauson Rosecranz

I'm willing to bet that if (or rather, when) a massive, all-consuming wildfire, or even the dreaded 'Big One', hit Los Angeles, all this gang and/or racial s**t would go right out the window...

NFW. It's going to get worse. The animals will really show their colors when the chips are down. It's how animals act.

Sorry, less than animals. My bad...

[Criss1956]

2. LA could ask for judicial (Singapore-style) caning to be a sentence (Amen!)

3. Another penalty could be forced labor for gang members.


Public canning would be a much more effective deterrent to crime than to lock them up, at tax payers expense, in violent prisons where they will come out more dangerous than before.
Back some years ago when Singapore was going to cain an American kid, the subject of canning was brought up and they interviewed some hard core gangbangers. When asked what they thought of it, they freaked out, saying oh hell naw, that would be taking my manhood away.

Serving time in prison is a right of passage and sign of "manhood" in some cultures. Look at all the tattoos of San Quentin or some other prison name proudly worn across the back or chest of many groups.

Spanking their azz in public would humiliate them to no end and would make them think twice before breaking the law.
I'm all for it.

Another very good option: Inside America's toughest jail | The Sun |HomePage|News

[Slauson Rosecranz]

Spanking their azz in public would humiliate them to no end and would make them think twice before breaking the law.
I'm all for it.

You're not serious, are you?

This is very naive.

Caning them would only fill them with rage. They'd be obsessed with finding and KILLING the one who caned them. Remember, their life REVOLVES around payback and retaliation (the hardcore gang members, not the hang-arounds and wannabes).

It works in Singapore because people (civilians) don't have access to guns, and have a degree of respect for authority. For hardcore career criminals, caning would only provoke them to seek revenge on the one doing the caning.

No, the only answer is a permanent solution: life in prison with NO parole for gang offenders who use a firearm in commiting a VIOLENT crime. It's Spartan and heavy-handed, but it's the only way.

[Candid Canuck]

[quote=Criss1956;1825494]
Spanking their azz in public would humiliate them to no end and would make them think twice before breaking the law.
I'm all for it.

ROLMFAO!!! they do that in China or sumthing

[Angorlee]

all multicultural societies go through the basic same evolution. First different cultures tolerate each other. Then they divide over issues and finally they fight over territory and cultural differences. you can see that has happened everywhere in the world where there are different cultures the occupy the same land.