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Old 11-17-2007, 11:18 PM
 
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I can relate to what you're saying, I was just repeating what some friends of mine living in SF told me.

I don't think someone who wasn't from SF would say such a thing, as SF certainly feels safer than LA does to a non-native, mainly because it feels friendlier than LA as I stated. There's more human interaction and that gives one a feeling of safety even if it is illusory. However, to people who live in SF, the rise in crime is causing a certain sense of fear in the resident population.
Apparently that includes stabbings, shootings, murders, burglary, and a lot of panhandling. The diversity of human interaction in SF beguiles me.
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Old 11-17-2007, 11:20 PM
 
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I think SF is a violent city, but personally if I had to guess I'd guess that LA has more violent crime per capita.
Please read posts carefully as the third one in this thread (by AVman) already established the fact that SF is MORE VIOLENT PER CAPITA than LA.

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As an FYI, I found the FBI crime statistics (2006):

Violent Crime Rate per 10,000 people
Los Angeles -- 78.7
San Francisco -- 87.6
Oakland -- 189.6
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Old 11-17-2007, 11:28 PM
 
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Apparently that includes stabbings, shootings, murders, burglary, and a lot of panhandling. The diversity of human interaction in SF beguiles me.
Yes, that pretty much describes San Francisco and nowhere else.
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Old 11-18-2007, 12:07 AM
 
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Please read posts carefully as the third one in this thread (by AVman) already established the fact that SF is MORE VIOLENT PER CAPITA than LA.
It's a fact that there are more violent crimes recorded per capita in SF than LA for at least one of the last 10 years. That doesn't mean that there *is* more violent crime per capita. There are too many variables from place to place to assume that they are 100% accurate. Just look at the NYC forum, there is even an NYPD officer that has posted there arguing that NYPD systematically lies about their crime stats. I already gave an example of assaults in LA magically cutting in half in 2005 and 2006 compared with each of the five years before that... obviously that did not actually happen - all that happened was a change in recording crime stats.

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And it has nothing to do with hispanics at all.
I wonder how many people feel differently. 95% of outstanding warrants in LA are for illegals, and two thirds of felony warrants are for illegals. Obviously a huge amount of the Hispanics in LA are there legally, but most of the illegals in LA are Hispanic.
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:34 AM
 
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It's a fact that there are more violent crimes recorded per capita in SF than LA for at least one of the last 10 years. That doesn't mean that there *is* more violent crime per capita. There are too many variables from place to place to assume that they are 100% accurate. Just look at the NYC forum, there is even an NYPD officer that has posted there arguing that NYPD systematically lies about their crime stats.
The "old" LAPD (under Gates) systematically inflated gang membership. I remember seeing a cop in Pacific Palisades back in the 80s threaten some white teenagers busted for selling pot in the park there with being listed as 18th Street members on their arrest records if they resisted in any way. I'd read about this happening in other places, and it probably became a self fulfilling prophecy - not amongst white kids in the Palisades, but amongst nonwhite kids in East LA, Downtown LA, South Central, etc. Kids who were labelled as gang members, became gang members.

Anyways, anyone can claim to have secret inside police sources or even claim to be a police officer on the forums, as they are anonymous to the general public.
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Old 11-19-2007, 04:30 PM
 
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Much of SF is perfectly safe, just as much of LA is perfectly safe - but only a fool would deny the obvious truth.

What is obvious?

I was looking for SOME sort of study to back up people's "feelings." People have nostalgia, memories and 'warm' ideas about SF. Crime rate tables, and statistics dispel the warm buttery BS that people tell themselves.

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Old 11-19-2007, 07:51 PM
 
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What is obvious?

I was looking for SOME sort of study to back up people's "feelings." People have nostalgia, memories and 'warm' ideas about SF. Crime rate tables, and statistics dispel the warm buttery BS that people tell themselves.

What's obvious is that SF is now more dangerous than LA is, as you are saying. Statistics (and what one can read in the Chronicle, and what actual San Franciscans say as opposed to tourists) back this up.

And Oakland is now not only the most dangerous city in California but the 4th most dangerous in the US (behind only Detroit, St. Louis and Flint) - the only other one of the 10 most dangerous cities in California is Richmond.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...W0bHQD8T0EUK03
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:03 PM
 
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I knew that LA had a lower crime rate than SF and Oakland, but I agree that many would likely assume the opposite--especially in light of the misrepresentations and general negativity about LA in City Data forums.
Lived up north years ago. At the time SF had pick pocketing and crime on the buses and subways.. That kind of crime I don't hear as much about in LA. Pick pocketing was Rampant! Women's purses would be cut from the bottom to remove the wallet.
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:06 PM
 
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What is obvious?

I was looking for SOME sort of study to back up people's "feelings." People have nostalgia, memories and 'warm' ideas about SF. Crime rate tables, and statistics dispel the warm buttery BS that people tell themselves.

Agreed. Like any city, SF had it's negative points... Fog in morning, crime, and expensive housing.
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:09 PM
 
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Apparently that includes stabbings, shootings, murders, burglary, and a lot of panhandling. The diversity of human interaction in SF beguiles me.

SF is all city. You can live in the CITY of LA yet never venture into the city... living in suburbs.
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