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Old 10-10-2014, 05:21 AM
 
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It must break your bigoted hearts that LA won't be bringing back the sundown towns anytime soon. Poor you.

If it makes you feel better (not that I care) crime in the city is currently at levels not seen since... the 50's. On top of being a FAR more interesting, diverse place. Don't like it? There are plenty of homogeneous areas in the US you can move to.
Since you seem to keep statistics in your ass do you also keep your purse, a snack bag, and a MLK biography in there as well?
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Old 10-10-2014, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Since you seem to keep statistics in your ass do you also keep your purse, a snack bag, and a MLK biography in there as well?
Say what?

LAPD: Crime in Los Angeles down for the 11th straight year | 89.3 KPCC

"Crime within the Los Angeles city limits has fallen for the 11th straight year, according to statistics released Monday by the LAPD. The numbers show that the per capita crime rate is the lowest its been since the 1950s and 1960s."

Btw, the homicide rate for most of the 20th century, when the nation was significantly less diverse, was much higher than current levels. I'm sure LA, with its noirish past, was no different. The 50's/early 60's were an outlier:



The next time some bigot tells you this country was peaches and cream before diversity ruined everything, show him that graph.

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Old 10-10-2014, 10:44 AM
 
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I don't care what John Stossel or any of the other anti-nostalgia people say; society was safer and more wholesome back then. Everybody was your neighbor, and people didn't do the sorts of things to each other that they do today.
Ahh yes, back when everybody was your neighbor. Except, of course, African Americans and Latinos who were systematically segregated to such areas South Central LA, Watts, Pacoima, East LA, Elysian Park, etc., in which case, police harassment and incarceration where just a phone call away . And your children were also the beneficiaries since they didn’t have to go to school with these African American and Latino children. Wholesome and utopic indeed. Excuse me, nostalgia always chokes me up.

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I bet those neighborhoods that were once bright and prosperous have become decaying "hoods" that rappers used to praise and now where Latinos park their 20 year old Hondas on the once pristine front lawns. Ah progress.
I know right? Those bright and prosperous neighborhoods such as South Central, East LA, Pacoima, etc., that minorities couldn’t live outside of. Oh, but after the legal system granted them freedom to live anywhere and white flight went into areas such as Pasadena, it’s not like the government neglected these neighborhoods whose demographics changed right?


I love it how the purpose of the clip was, at least seemingly, to spotlight how different LA was from aesthetic purposes. From that short clip, LA seemed like a quaint city as opposed to the metropolis it is today where it is everything but quaint. Today, we have a metropolis of a city where the streets and freeways are always busy. Personally, if I could take all the social progress we’ve made up to this point and shrink it down to that Los Angeles of old, I would.

But then you have all the ignoramuses who babble on about how LA was so much more peaceful, livable, and wholesome city. They ignore the fact that this time period was so ripe with racial discrimination and segregation (and let’s not forgot “separate but equal”) that it was actually considered normal. Being born in the 1980’s I cannot attest to this personally, but from everything I’ve read and heard, it was not a fun time to be living in if you were part of the minority. Forgive us if we do not feel as nostalgic as you.
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Old 10-10-2014, 12:01 PM
 
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Say what?

LAPD: Crime in Los Angeles down for the 11th straight year | 89.3 KPCC

"Crime within the Los Angeles city limits has fallen for the 11th straight year, according to statistics released Monday by the LAPD. The numbers show that the per capita crime rate is the lowest its been since the 1950s and 1960s."

Btw, the homicide rate for most of the 20th century, when the nation was significantly less diverse, was much higher than current levels. I'm sure LA, with its noirish past, was no different. The 50's/early 60's were an outlier:



The next time some bigot tells you this country was peaches and cream before diversity ruined everything, show him that graph.
Homocide does not equal all crime. Please post VIOLENT CRIME as well. The only reason they don't die is because of medical advances. I can guarantee you violent crime has doubled.


Golly Gee Willikers Beav. Sure it's better than the 90s but not by much!

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Old 10-10-2014, 12:06 PM
 
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Ahh yes, back when everybody was your neighbor. Except, of course, African Americans and Latinos who were systematically segregated to such areas South Central LA, Watts, Pacoima, East LA, Elysian Park, etc., in which case, police harassment and incarceration where just a phone call away . And your children were also the beneficiaries since they didn’t have to go to school with these African American and Latino children. Wholesome and utopic indeed. Excuse me, nostalgia always chokes me up.


I know right? Those bright and prosperous neighborhoods such as South Central, East LA, Pacoima, etc., that minorities couldn’t live outside of. Oh, but after the legal system granted them freedom to live anywhere and white flight went into areas such as Pasadena, it’s not like the government neglected these neighborhoods whose demographics changed right?


I love it how the purpose of the clip was, at least seemingly, to spotlight how different LA was from aesthetic purposes. From that short clip, LA seemed like a quaint city as opposed to the metropolis it is today where it is everything but quaint. Today, we have a metropolis of a city where the streets and freeways are always busy. Personally, if I could take all the social progress we’ve made up to this point and shrink it down to that Los Angeles of old, I would.

But then you have all the ignoramuses who babble on about how LA was so much more peaceful, livable, and wholesome city. They ignore the fact that this time period was so ripe with racial discrimination and segregation (and let’s not forgot “separate but equal”) that it was actually considered normal. Being born in the 1980’s I cannot attest to this personally, but from everything I’ve read and heard, it was not a fun time to be living in if you were part of the minority. Forgive us if we do not feel as nostalgic as you.
If you go back to the 1950s/early 1960s Inglewood looked like it came straight from the realm of "Leave It To Beaver"
Boys Beware (1961) - YouTube
Boys sure have a lot more to worry about nowadays like Bloods, Crips, Nortes, and Sureños. I think they'd have a better chance against the 1 or two murders a year then the constant drive bys.
You were born in the 1980s. By that time all the peaceful neighborhoods had decayed into their current state. The only difference is you were born before the Latinos replaced the African Americans.
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Old 10-10-2014, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Homocide does not equal all crime. Please post VIOLENT CRIME as well. The only reason they don't die is because of medical advances. I can guarantee you violent crime has doubled.


Golly Gee Willikers Beav. Sure it's better than the 90s but not by much!
The annual homicide rate is considered the best indicator for crime in America because, unlike other crimes, the definition never changes. What is considered a violent crime in 2014 is different than 1960.

(I'd love to post pre-war statistics for violent crime, unfortunately no data exists prior to 1957.)

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Old 10-10-2014, 03:48 PM
 
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The annual homicide rate is considered the best indicator for crime in America because, unlike other crimes, the definition never changes. What is considered a violent crime in 2014 is different than 1960.

(I'd love to post pre-war statistics for violent crime, unfortunately no data exists prior to 1957.)
So getting stabbed and almost bleeding out is ok as long as you don't die?
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Old 10-10-2014, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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So getting stabbed and almost bleeding out is ok as long as you don't die?
Have you seen The Wire? The "juking the stats". Politically the criteria will change to either protect a serving official or to move a project or bill forward
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Old 10-10-2014, 05:28 PM
 
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Have you seen The Wire? The "juking the stats". Politically the criteria will change to either protect a serving official or to move a project or bill forward
You can bend statistics and facts only so much. Once the rate is 2x as much its hard to BS.
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Old 10-10-2014, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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So getting stabbed and almost bleeding out is ok as long as you don't die?


"The only reason they don't die is because of medical advances."

If this were true, the incidences of attempted homicide would be much higher than they were in the 70's, 80's, and early 90's, but they've most likely declined as well, debunking your theory.
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