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Old 04-06-2016, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Sherman Oaks, CA
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I didn't realize that other cities' subways have similar smelly issues. Thanks for enlightening me! Maybe it's just what you're used to. Public transportation obviously takes me out of my comfort zone. (I guess this means that when I'm old and can no longer drive I'll never go anywhere! Or I'll get over my phobia by necessity. )
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Old 04-06-2016, 08:18 AM
 
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I realize that the traffic in L.A. is only going to get worse, and that public transportation is supposed to magically save us.

However, I will never ride the Red Line subway ever again. Why? Because it smelled so bad, like old urine and sweat. On our way to Pershing Square from North Hollywood to go to a restaurant close by, there was a guy spread across two seats who looked like he was sleeping except for his death grip on a plastic-encased pastry he had bought.

I have no idea what the subways are like in other cities, but this is a disgrace. I can live with graffiti etched into the backs of the seats in front of me, but that smell almost made me sick. Can't the city do better than this?
You need to get out more
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Old 04-06-2016, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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The poor Westsiders who are taking the bus (you have low income housing here and there on the Westside) will take the trains. You are right that those with their nice cars are absolutely not about to take the train. If you're not used to riding mass transit getting on a train with a homeless lunatic raving is scary.

Also a lot of people may work in the Westside and maybe commuting in from other places, but they aren't making much money. So they'll take the train. The Westside lines will get good use. Obviously not by the well off.
Yeah that's most likely what will happen. We will see if it lessens traffic..I doubt it though.
There will probably be some well off that take the train as a symbolic thing or just to say they did it. But likely won't use it on a regular basis.

Anyone paying market rent or owns a home on the Westside can afford a car. Traffic is terrible, but it will probably have to get a lot worse and the city will have to become more dense before more well off residents decide to take the subway.
Also the subway is going to go more places, but it's not like it's going to go everywhere. Many will still have to walk to where they need to go or take a bus.

Hopefully this does benefit lower income people though and give them a less costly and quicker way to get to their work. I used to work in Brentwood, and I would always see ladies walking up to the homes North or Sunset where they would work. Sometimes the employer would pick them up.

There are a lot of people working on the Westside like gardeners/landscapers ,etc that need their own trucks obviously that aren't going to benefit. When I was working in Brentwood it seemed like every other vehicle on Sunset blvd was a pickup truck with gardening tools.
Pretty much every home in that entire area Brentwood, Santa Monica, Palisades is going to have someone doing their landscaping. Then you have all the other vendors like handymen, etc. These people aren't necessarily low income..but I'm just saying they aren't really going to benefit from the subway anyways because they need tools.
The biggest benefactor will probably housekeepers working in homes and low income people working in restaurants and stores. But a lot of them probably are already using the public transit as it is..and if they already do have a car ...will they switch over to public transit?
Hard to say.
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Old 04-06-2016, 09:29 AM
 
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Yeah that's most likely what will happen. We will see if it lessens traffic..I doubt it though.
There will probably be some well off that take the train as a symbolic thing or just to say they did it. But likely won't use it on a regular basis.

Anyone paying market rent or owns a home on the Westside can afford a car. Traffic is terrible, but it will probably have to get a lot worse and the city will have to become more dense before more well off residents decide to take the subway.
Also the subway is going to go more places, but it's not like it's going to go everywhere. Many will still have to walk to where they need to go or take a bus.

Hopefully this does benefit lower income people though and give them a less costly and quicker way to get to their work. I used to work in Brentwood, and I would always see ladies walking up to the homes North or Sunset where they would work. Sometimes the employer would pick them up.

There are a lot of people working on the Westside like gardeners/landscapers ,etc that need their own trucks obviously that aren't going to benefit. When I was working in Brentwood it seemed like every other vehicle on Sunset blvd was a pickup truck with gardening tools.
Pretty much every home in that entire area Brentwood, Santa Monica, Palisades is going to have someone doing their landscaping. Then you have all the other vendors like handymen, etc. These people aren't necessarily low income..but I'm just saying they aren't really going to benefit from the subway anyways because they need tools.
The biggest benefactor will probably housekeepers working in homes and low income people working in restaurants and stores. But a lot of them probably are already using the public transit as it is..and if they already do have a car ...will they switch over to public transit?
Hard to say.
I think where public transit might get the most traction on the west side (to get people to stop driving and start taking transit) will be among students. When the purple line eventually gets to UCLA that will be a game changer.
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Old 04-06-2016, 11:45 AM
 
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Yeah that's most likely what will happen. We will see if it lessens traffic..I doubt it though.
There will probably be some well off that take the train as a symbolic thing or just to say they did it. But likely won't use it on a regular basis.

Anyone paying market rent or owns a home on the Westside can afford a car. Traffic is terrible, but it will probably have to get a lot worse and the city will have to become more dense before more well off residents decide to take the subway.
Also the subway is going to go more places, but it's not like it's going to go everywhere. Many will still have to walk to where they need to go or take a bus.

Hopefully this does benefit lower income people though and give them a less costly and quicker way to get to their work. I used to work in Brentwood, and I would always see ladies walking up to the homes North or Sunset where they would work. Sometimes the employer would pick them up.

There are a lot of people working on the Westside like gardeners/landscapers ,etc that need their own trucks obviously that aren't going to benefit. When I was working in Brentwood it seemed like every other vehicle on Sunset blvd was a pickup truck with gardening tools.
Pretty much every home in that entire area Brentwood, Santa Monica, Palisades is going to have someone doing their landscaping. Then you have all the other vendors like handymen, etc. These people aren't necessarily low income..but I'm just saying they aren't really going to benefit from the subway anyways because they need tools.
The biggest benefactor will probably housekeepers working in homes and low income people working in restaurants and stores. But a lot of them probably are already using the public transit as it is..and if they already do have a car ...will they switch over to public transit?
Hard to say.
I'm thinking service sector people will use it a lot. The ones who work in restaurants, bars, retail, and hotels on the Westside (obviously the lower paid ones in those sectors, as some people in those sectors do pretty well). Also lower level office workers.
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Old 04-06-2016, 12:41 PM
 
Location: West Los Angeles
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You need to get out more
Her posts over the years have indicated SandyCo has been out and about enough to be very familiar with day to day life in this city. And her consternations expressed in this thread are perfectly valid to any sensible person.
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Old 04-07-2016, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Public transportation is a failed pipe dream of politicians. We will always use our cars.
Cars are getting awfully expensive, parking is becoming near-nonexistent, and driving has become the most dangerous activity in Los Angeles that one can engage in which does not involve hard drugs. Next time gas goes up....
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Old 04-07-2016, 08:23 AM
 
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Cars are getting awfully expensive, parking is becoming near-nonexistent, and driving has become the most dangerous activity in Los Angeles that one can engage in which does not involve hard drugs. Next time gas goes up....
exactly
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Old 04-08-2016, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Cars are getting awfully expensive, parking is becoming near-nonexistent, and driving has become the most dangerous activity in Los Angeles that one can engage in which does not involve hard drugs. Next time gas goes up....
I believe at some point gas will go back up. I know a lot of people are saying oil will be cheap forever or for many many years..but I've heard the same thing before and it turned out not to be true.
Remember when the experts said housing was going to be bad for several more years and then prices doubled pretty quickly?
Now oil is at $40 barrel ..

In Feb the 'experts' at Goldman Sachs were saying they see oil at below $20/barrel

Goldman Sees Risk of Oil Below $20 - Bloomberg

I guess it COULD still happen..but we will see..

Trading leveraged oil ETFs supposedly is the new get rich quick scheme for some "millennials "
There
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Old 04-08-2016, 05:05 PM
 
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I've been on vacation in Seattle for the past week and the buses smell pretty bad here too, it's probably like that on public transportation everywhere. They have a great bus system that's heavily used by all types of people by the way especially downtown where parking is a real pain. I don't know much about L.A.'s bus system (only drive and never use it) except that when I was a kid visiting LACMA a tourist came in crying because a man had just spit at her in the face, hopefully that doesn't happen often.
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