middle class (Irvine, Fullerton, Cerritos: income, population, Asian)

[redturtle]

Texasturkey,

Now you're talking in circles because you were caught talking out of your a**

You stated very clearly in your posts that if neighborhoods were mostly minorities like Asian or Hispanic, they cannot be middle class.

The honorable thing to do is to stand down and admit that you were wrong, rather than trying to weasel your way out.

Again, a middle class neighborhood is usually defined by the average household incomes of the people living in that neighborhood.

I'm not sensitive about discussing ethnicity. I'm sensitive about people spewing ignorant and unfounded statements like you have done here on these message boards.

[Texasturkey]

Originally Posted by Luke9686

You know the OP wasn't looking for the "census" description of a middle class neighborhood, so why try to be the smart guy using textbook definitions of middle class? Why not just answer the question using what most people understand middle class to be?

Go to Cupertino, and try to tell me it's anything but upper class minorities.

The poster wanted to know where the middle class lived. When you discuss where people live: demographics, population, incomes, occupations are mentioned. If there is a city that is 99% ethnic, has high crime, graffiti, gangs and the homeless, would you would call that a middle class city or lower class city? If there is a city that is 99% ethnic that had low crime, high incomes, and professional families, would you call that a upper-middle or high class city? That is all that was. More than one factor is involved with the classes and where they live. People can live wherever they choose to. It depends if they can afford it or want to make sacrifices in order to do so. Some have said that owning a home determines if you middle class or higher. Many people with triple digit incomes choose to rent apartments, condos, townhouses or lofts. It is a choice of dwelling. Not a fixture to represent success or status. But, other people differ on that.

[redturtle]

redturtle: middle class = determined by household income

texasturkey: middle class = only white people are considered middle class

The difference is one is founded on economics, and the other is founded on his/her own racially biased and ignorant lens.

[Texasturkey]

Originally Posted by redturtle

Texasturkey,

Now you're talking in circles because you were caught talking out of your a**

You stated very clearly in your posts that if neighborhoods were mostly minorities like Asian or Hispanic, they cannot be middle class.

The honorable thing to do is to stand down and admit that you were wrong, rather than trying to weasel your way out.

Again, a middle class neighborhood is usually defined by the average household incomes of the people living in that neighborhood.

I'm not sensitive about discussing ethnicity. I'm sensitive about people spewing ignorant and unfounded statements like you have done here on these message boards.

You misunderstood what I said then. I replied that of course you do not have to be caucasian to be middle class. Like I mentioned previoulsly, race alone does not determine class. Are we talking about people or cities? If a city is 99% ethnic, low income, crowded, high crime, gang-infested, graffiti, and homeless people, would you think it was middle class? Most people wouldn't. When the demographics change sometimes the city changes too. Good or bad. Fullerton has a high Asian population, it is definitley not a lower class city. A person could have a low income, no car and live in Newport Beach. A person could have a high income, drive a BMW and live in Lynwood. Not typical though. Many wealthy people are not homeowners by choice. Living and renting apartments or houses for whatever reason. People with lower incomes buy houses they can't afford. Middle class? Who knows? It depends.

When posters post on threads something I don't agree with, I may reply. But, I don't attack. I don't post on boards, "You don't know what you are talking about", "You're talking in circles". "You are talking through your a@@". "Ignorant"
Quite Disrespectful.

[Texasturkey]

Originally Posted by redturtle

redturtle: middle class = determined by household income

texasturkey: middle class = only white people are considered middle class

The difference is one is founded on economics, and the other is founded on his/her own racially biased and ignorant lens.

Don't use my user name to tell lies on this board. I never posted those words. You did not quote that from me.
A moderator might consider that libel.

[redturtle]

texasturkey, you're sounding increasingly incoherent.

Again, you seem to be the only one who believes that ethnicity has something to do with whether you're middle class or not.

You can complain all you want to the moderators, but your unfounded and often incoherent posts on this thread speak for themselves.

[Texasturkey]

Originally Posted by redturtle

texasturkey, you're sounding increasingly incoherent.

Again, you seem to be the only one who believes that ethnicity has something to do with whether you're middle class or not.

You can complain all you want to the moderators, but your unfounded and often incoherent posts on this thread speak for themselves.

Red Turtle:

If you want to continue this converstion, you may do so privately. Instead of insutling me in this message board only because you have an audience. "I am the only one that believes".....You can't speak for everyone out there and you don't know what I think. Most of the posters who read this message board get what I was saying about the middle class. Things don't always come out right the first time. Then, it gets twisted around. Mostly by you. You are the only poster that keeps coming back with insults no matter what I say to explain. It appears you put others down in order to feel better about yourself. Let's get back to the thread please:

Middle Class

[katenik]

[quote=Texasturkey;5159036]Yes, I know what I am talking about. I have been to all of those cites. I said most of Long Beach. I worked there for 5 years. North, Downtown, Signal Hill and Southern Long Beach toward San Pedro has the homeless, gangs, graffiti and crime. Those parts, the city did not project the population growth. Especially off of Pacific Ave. As a result it is high density, cramped apartments and houses, and very narrow streets and intersections. The better part of Long Beach is Belmont Shores, Ocean Blvd, and the area near CSULB. Alhambra is what I was talking about in regards to middle class. It is off of the 10 Freeway near some lower income and less desirable towns like Monterey Park and East LA. Even though a lot of parts look nice, there are many immigrants. (Asians & Hispanics). If the city's demographics show a high foreign or minority population, it is not considered middle or higher class even if the incomes and housing prices are the same or higher than average. It is the same with Buena Park in OC. That used to be considered a middle class city with modest homes. The demographics changed and now it is considered lower class even though it is the same houses and the residents have average or above average incomes.[/QUOTE]

if that's true, it is certainly odd. isn't their money green like everyone else's?

[bhcompy]

Originally Posted by Texasturkey

If the city's demographics show a high foreign or minority population, it is not considered middle or higher class even if the incomes and housing prices are the same or higher than average.

Cerritos and Irvine are both considered upper-middle class and both have a high foreign population.

[Texasturkey]

[quote=katenik;5169775]

Originally Posted by Texasturkey

Yes, I know what I am talking about. I have been to all of those cites. I said most of Long Beach. I worked there for 5 years. North, Downtown, Signal Hill and Southern Long Beach toward San Pedro has the homeless, gangs, graffiti and crime. Those parts, the city did not project the population growth. Especially off of Pacific Ave. As a result it is high density, cramped apartments and houses, and very narrow streets and intersections. The better part of Long Beach is Belmont Shores, Ocean Blvd, and the area near CSULB. Alhambra is what I was talking about in regards to middle class. It is off of the 10 Freeway near some lower income and less desirable towns like Monterey Park and East LA. Even though a lot of parts look nice, there are many immigrants. (Asians & Hispanics). If the city's demographics show a high foreign or minority population, it is not considered middle or higher class even if the incomes and housing prices are the same or higher than average. It is the same with Buena Park in OC. That used to be considered a middle class city with modest homes. The demographics changed and now it is considered lower class even though it is the same houses and the residents have average or above average incomes.[/QUOTE]

if that's true, it is certainly odd. isn't their money green like everyone else's?

Yes. That was a previous post. Actually, many cities near where I live are considered more "working class". It has more to do with income, level of education and level of crime. With changing demographics, those factors just mentioned do change over time. For example, one of my friends is an optometrist from Huntington Park. He completed his education and training in OC and now lives in Anaheim Hills. Let's say he and other professionals bought homes and raised their families in Huntington Park instead of moving out. The city would consist of professional families with high incomes, the demographics would consist of higher levels of education and incomes. Would the city be middle class or upper-middle class? That doesn't happen very often. Newer people arrive and the ones that remain who are more lower or working class, which may come with an increase of crime and gang activity. When that happens, it is not usually considered middle or upper-middle class like Walnut, Chino Hills, or Huntington Beach which has more diversity and lower crime. Middle class is not all about race or the ability to afford a house. People have different views on how to describe the middle class.

There are 1,108 gangs and 79,668 gang members in Los Angeles County.

Source: Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department

If there is a city in LA County that is 75%-99% ethnic (African-American or Hispanic), professional familes, high incomes and levels of education, Million $ homes, low or nor crime, and no gangs, it is not typical at all. I have not heard of any to date.