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Old 04-16-2016, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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Californias liberal government's hatred for job producing business has killed this once great state.

It;s going to be all self checkout soon. Way to go Brown.

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Old 04-16-2016, 09:35 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Californias liberal government's hatred for job producing business has killed this once great state.
Very good Vega. So pleased you could contribute such a unique perspective.
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Old 04-16-2016, 10:06 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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There are two problems I have with the law.

First the fact it's statewide seems pretty brutal for areas like imperial County. The fact businesses there have to pay the same minimum there as SF is pretty brutal.

Secondly I think it should have been rolled out as a 5% per year increase for 10 years then fix it to cpi.
That's completely asinine. $15 an hour is not a living wage in San Francisco. Not even close. And making it 10 years instead of 4 just means that by the time it gets to $15 that increase will mean a whole lot less. In 10 years the COL will be even higher and $15 an hour is still only ~$30,000 a year before taxes.
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Old 04-16-2016, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 N, 🌄W
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The purpose of the minimum wage created in 1938, was to stabilize the post-depression economy and protect the workers in the labor force.

The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living to protect the health and well-being of employees.

Minimum Wage

The US is in a far different place then when this law as created in 1938...sounds like Congress needs to go back to the drawing board and redefine this law to mirror current times.

What is defined as a minimum standard of living and who defines it?
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Old 04-16-2016, 10:26 PM
 
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That's completely asinine. $15 an hour is not a living wage in San Francisco. Not even close. And making it 10 years instead of 4 just means that by the time it gets to $15 that increase will mean a whole lot less. In 10 years the COL will be even higher and $15 an hour is still only ~$30,000 a year before taxes.
You think a 16 year old kid in Calexico bagging groceries needs to be paid $25 an hour?

Please tell me what is the appropriate wage for a non HS graduate in a rural low COL area.
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Old 04-16-2016, 11:15 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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You think a 16 year old kid in Calexico bagging groceries needs to be paid $25 an hour?

Please tell me what is the appropriate wage for a non HS graduate in a rural low COL area.
Nice strawmen, but I don't play that game.

The point of the minimum wage to provide a living wage. The COL is not the same everywhere, and that's why states and cities are free to increase it beyond the federal number. The COL is higher in Los Angeles than many other places but the COL isn't nothing elsewhere. Individuals' educational circumstances certainly have no bearing on the COL, and to suggest otherwise is completely moronic and classist. Unless you'd like for America to institute a caste system, where the less fortunate are subject to harsher treatment and the wealthy are given even more of a leg up? Is that your vision of America?
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Old 04-16-2016, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 N, 🌄W
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The point of the minimum wage to provide a living wage.
You mean to provide a minimum living wage. The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living.
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Old 04-16-2016, 11:38 PM
 
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Nice strawmen, but I don't play that game.

The point of the minimum wage to provide a living wage. The COL is not the same everywhere, and that's why states and cities are free to increase it beyond the federal number. The COL is higher in Los Angeles than many other places but the COL isn't nothing elsewhere. Individuals' educational circumstances certainly have no bearing on the COL, and to suggest otherwise is completely moronic and classist. Unless you'd like for America to institute a caste system, where the less fortunate are subject to harsher treatment and the wealthy are given even more of a leg up? Is that your vision of America?
So you're saying everyone should be paid the same? Otherwise it would be a caste system to pay the engineer who has a graduate degree more than a 16 year old in HS right?
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Old 04-16-2016, 11:47 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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So you're saying everyone should be paid the same? Otherwise it would be a caste system to pay the engineer who has a graduate degree more than a 16 year old in HS right?
How is it that you can write but not read?
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Old 04-16-2016, 11:48 PM
 
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How is it that you can write but not read?
How come you refuse to answer my questions?

I really want you to tell me how much should a 16 year old grocery bagger get paid in both Calexico and LA. It can be the same $ amount I don't care. I just want you to answer the question.
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